All FB coaching rumors and speculation

[stewart092284]

Honestly, and I'm sure I'm in minority but of all the jobs I think he'd fit the best (outside of Iowa State obviously) ......

it'd be Washington. A University that wants to win but it isn't the insane fish bowl of LSU or even USC - has a fairly good academic reputation, has had a program already built some by Coach Petersen and has a decent history of success. From a fit perspective, I'd say it's a better fit than LSU or USC but not as good of a fit IMO as Iowa State but of course I'm biased.

 

[2076]

I agree. We cannot have Matt be at the bottom of P5 coaches. My guess is “what he wants“ would not break the bank. He would likely ask for more for assistants and an appropriate bump for himself with a long term commitment with a modest buyout for a couple select schools.

My biggest concerns on this round is not the lure of USC or UW. Rather, if it is true Brian Kelly was ready to leave for Texas last year, I am concerned that Kelly takes USC and Matt goes to Notre Dame. Matt could do a ton with his process/culture at Norte Dame and never worry about anything.

If Matt stays this year, the best thing we can do is allow him to pay his assistants well enough so the next CMC is perpetually on the staff and would simply take the reigns if he leaves.

Matt Campbell is not leaving ISU. Period. He’s in it for the long haul. All the “rumors” are just a bunch of wishful thinking, and wanna be Twitter reporters trying to get a scoop. No need to worry.

 

[jctisu]

I agree with you on that from my perspective. But if Monday (or any other day) CMC announces he is going to USC...I would be happy for him! He knows what he wants and needs in that profession and if he decides that is a challenge he wants to confront...good for him! I would cheer loudly for USC! BUT...I hope that isn't the scenario that plays out...I want him in Ames another 20+ years because I am selfish!

I always find the bolded part weird. I wouldn't go out of my way to cheer for USC or pay any attention to them under Campbell OR wherever he would end up going. I am not going to wish him ill-will either, but much like Fred when he left, appreciate what you did sir, but you CHOSE TO LEAVE the school/program I care about. And he has every right to. But I have the right to say, "Ok see ya."

In the end I give a **** about Iowa State and Iowa State only. If he gave us a great 5-6 year run here (which I am very thankful for) and left and we go back to the years of praying we get to 6 wins I sure as hell am not going to be outright cheering for him wherever he is at. When we are surrounded by schools like Iowa (Ferentz), Oklahoma State (Gundy), Kansas State (with Snyder), Northwestern (Fitzgerald), Missouri (with Pinkel) etc. it will just suck if we keep being a stepping stone job when other programs that aren't exactly blue bloods keep their guy for 20+ years.

And again I will say Matt can do and should do whatever he thinks is best. But two things can be true like in most situations and that is I don't have to really care about him anymore. Players are different because they MUST move on eventually. I.e. Breece has to leave either way at some point, so go now and get paid sir. You have earned it.

 

[stewart092284]

The troubling issue there is that...almost sadly...$4 to $5 million coaches will be average or below average for the production/outcome we have come to expect! So while we all believe CMC isn't all about the money, in the new Big 12 how will it look if CMC is making less than the OSU, BU, Houston and maybe other coaches? $4 to $5 million looks big right now but it won't be long until that number barely registers.

true but you need to factor in this... presuming we continue to win games, make decent to good bowl games, and the New Big 12 finds its footing... revenue will stabilize somewhat, and the grants of TV rights will be a nice penny - not as nice with Ou and Texas, sure, but a nice penny itself.

So while his value will increase, to some degree as we continue to win, the revenue pool to compensate him will increase somewhat as well. Now is it a apples to apples trade? Well, probably not but its not entirely a one way street. If he can get a $250,000 raise each a season - than in 4 years I'd think based on TV rights, bowl games and everything else there'd be money to pay him one million more every four years. At least until it hits 6-7ish, after that I have no idea.


Of course I could be dead wrong on the numbers, just spit balling

 

[cyfanatic]

Honestly, and I'm sure I'm in minority but of all the jobs I think he'd fit the best (outside of Iowa State obviously) ......

it'd be Washington. A University that wants to win but it isn't the insane fish bowl of LSU or even USC - has a fairly good academic reputation, has had a program already built some by Coach Petersen and has a decent history of success. From a fit perspective, I'd say it's a better fit than LSU or USC but not as good of a fit IMO as Iowa State but of course I'm biased.

I could see this as well! It would be a beautiful place to live and with that income...a great place to raise a family! I mean...Los Angeles is great too if you make that kind of money but it just "seems" like CMC would fit well at UW! I mean...he would fit well anywhere because he is that kind of guy but UW seems like a great fit for him. Hope we don't have to find out how well he fits in anywhere else!

 

[stewart092284]

Agreed.... and for some reason, I don't think we have a reason to worry. I don't think he thinks its either "mission accomplished" or that he's done everything he can do here. I have no inside knowledge at all, just my take on the situation.

I'm not saying he'd never leave - though I lean that way slightly - but I don't think now is the time to worry . Hopefully I am correct about that.

 

[KnappShack]

I agree with you on that from my perspective. But if Monday (or any other day) CMC announces he is going to USC...I would be happy for him! He knows what he wants and needs in that profession and if he decides that is a challenge he wants to confront...good for him! I would cheer loudly for USC! BUT...I hope that isn't the scenario that plays out...I want him in Ames another 20+ years because I am selfish!

A quick look shows USC with 5 Athletic Directors and 6+ head football coaches since 2010.

I'm sure Matt would know what he's getting in to if makes the jump, but the cocoon of Ames Iowa and the Midwest in general will not be there.

We think Randy is a tool? Wait until the SoCal beat writers start. When Matt's seen as a hillbilly Ted Lasso after the first bump in the road.

I've been to USC games. They kick ass. Seriously. USC is a sleeping giant. A big challenge. (Bigger than some national writers will admit)

But Matt seems more Mt. Union than Sunset strip. Who knows? If he goes I'll wish him the best.

 

[cyfanatic]

I always find the bolded part weird. I wouldn't go out of my way to cheer for USC or pay any attention to them under Campbell OR wherever he would end up going. I am not going to wish him ill-will either, but much like Fred when he left, appreciate what you did sir, but you CHOSE TO LEAVE the school/program I care about. And he has every right to. But I have the right to say, "Ok see ya."

In the end I give a **** about Iowa State and Iowa State only. If he gave us a great 5-6 year run here (which I am very thankful for) and left and we go back to the years of praying we get to 6 wins I sure as hell am not going to be outright cheering for him wherever he is at. When we are surrounded by schools like Iowa (Ferentz), Oklahoma State (Gundy), Kansas State (with Snyder), Northwestern (Fitzgerald), Missouri (with Pinkel) etc. it will just suck if we keep being a stepping stone job when other programs that aren't exactly blue bloods keep their guy for 20+ years.

And again I will say Matt can do and should do whatever he thinks is best. But two things can be true like in most situations.

There are limits to the schools that I would cheer loudly for if CMC ends up coaching them (like Iowa or Nebraska) but a school that we don't compete with is a school that I would love to see great things for if CMC were coaching there. In MBB I always cheered for LE's schools when I would watch them on ESPN or whatever...maybe it is me but it is just me but CMC has earned my cheers!

 

[stewart092284]

I've been to USC games. They kick ass. Seriously. USC is a sleeping giant. A big challenge. (Bigger than some national writers will admit)

Agree on USC. There is enough behind the scenes stuff that makes that job not as attractive or great as it should be. Still a very, very good job but that job should be a home run but because of some of the challenges there... its more like a double or triple. Still a really good job but not a home run IMO.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

I always find the bolded part weird. I wouldn't go out of my way to cheer for USC or pay any attention to them under Campbell OR wherever he would end up going. I am not going to wish him ill-will either, but much like Fred when he left, appreciate what you did sir, but you CHOSE TO LEAVE the school/program I care about. And he has every right to. But I have the right to say, "Ok see ya."

In the end I give a **** about Iowa State and Iowa State only. If he gave us a great 5-6 year run here (which I am very thankful for) and left and we go back to the years of praying we get to 6 wins I sure as hell am not going to be outright cheering for him wherever he is at. When we are surrounded by schools like Iowa (Ferentz), Oklahoma State (Gundy), Kansas State (with Snyder), Northwestern (Fitzgerald), Missouri (with Pinkel) etc. it will just suck if we keep being a stepping stone job when other programs that aren't exactly blue bloods keep their guy for 20+ years.

And again I will say Matt can do and should do whatever he thinks is best. But two things can be true like in most situations and that is I don't have to really care about him anymore. Players are different because they MUST move on eventually. I.e. Breece has to leave either way at some point, so go now and get paid sir. You have earned it.

Yeah. When Fred left I didn’t hate him. I was sad for a bit because I liked him, but then I just stopped caring at all. I’m not an NBA guy so I didn’t care about him with the Bulls and I’m not 100% certain Nebraska basketball even exists for real and isn’t just a troll meme, so I don’t care about him there.

I’d be sad if Campbell leaves. But if he goes to USC, I’ll stop caring about him. I certainly won’t cheer for him, not because I don’t want him to succeed, but because I’ll never cheer for USC.

 

[jctisu]

There are limits to the schools that I would cheer loudly for if CMC ends up coaching them (like Iowa or Nebraska) but a school that we don't compete with is a school that I would love to see great things for if CMC were coaching there. In MBB I always cheered for LE's schools when I would watch them on ESPN or whatever...maybe it is me but it is just me but CMC has earned my cheers!

No it's cool you do what you have to do. I am just not cut that way. I guess what I am saying is I don't want him to fail wherever he goes (unless it is at a few select schools I can't stand like Ohio State), but I am not going to go out of my way and cheer for him, especially if we regress into our normal history. Let's be real, I think people are going to be really shocked/depressed how awful that feeling is should we lose Campbell and end up going back to Rhoads, Chizik, McCarney levels. There are many that I don't think truly remember how those days felt because we've forgotten. We have been spoiled these last 5-6 years and I want that to continue because 5-6 years is a tiny little blip in the 100+ year history of bad football that we have had.

 

[ComCY]

CMC wouldn't fit at USC... their richboiz wouldn't tolerate never wearing their red/yellow colors.

But seriously, Campbell isn't going anywhere. He doesn't care about making as much money as possible. He cares way more about building something, teaching kids right, and looking out for his own (assistants/fanbase).

 

[stewart092284]

I honestly worry more about the staff leaving.... Heacock retiring. While CMC deservedly gets the head lines and the credits... those guys have been amazing in their own right.

Honestly, I'm scared of Coach Rasheed leaving because the job he does year after year with a 3 man front is incredible.


I remember as a younger man worrying year after year about the D-line other than when Leaders and Curvey etc where here for a few years - but now, I almost take it as an after thought that our defensive line will hold up and be at worst, average.

 

[BCClone]

Yes revenues will decline some - but there's different tiers to revenue though in simplest terms in general, you could probably expect overall revenue to decline but some reports have said it might not be as drastic of a drop as originally thought but still less, yes.

That said, most universities can afford a 4-5 million head coach if they wished to invest that much in athletics. As evidenced by how many programs are now starting to offer just that


Obviously I'd never pretend to tell CMC what to do in his own best interest but if Iowa State could get to $5 million and offer reasonably factored in raises for staff / assistants... that's a pretty attractive package IMO. Great fan base, improving stadium - facilities and a place where expectations are raising which might make things a tad more tense, sure, but compared to expectations at LSU / USC, etc.... expectations are still largely more balanced

Here’s a wild idea. Let’s say Cincy gets into the CFP and actually wins the whole thing. Imagine the image then. We have a national champ coming in. We could see a bunch of the money difference evaporate. Really need to root for OSU and cincy.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

I honestly worry more about the staff leaving.... Heacock retiring. While CMC deservedly gets the head lines and the credits... those guys have been amazing in their own right.

Honestly, I'm scared of Coach Rasheed leaving because the job he does year after year with a 3 man front is incredible.


I remember as a younger man worrying year after year about the D-line other than when Leaders and Curvey etc where here for a few years - but now, I almost take it as an after thought that our defensive line will hold up and be at worst, average.

Heacock only just turned 61 last month.

 

[stewart092284]

Here’s a wild idea. Let’s say Cincy gets into the CFP and actually wins the whole thing. Imagine the image then. We have a national champ coming in. We could see a bunch of the money difference evaporate. Really need to root for OSU and cincy.

completely agree

 

[stewart092284]

Heacock only just turned 61 last month.

I know but the question is... how long does he want to coach? Is he a guy who wants to go till he's 68-70? Or is he a guy who loves coaching but also has other interests and wants to step aside when he's ready and still feels really good? I hope he's got another 5-6 years in him but depending on his mindset he might be close. I just don't know but I worry more about that than CMC leaving because I don't think there's a good chance CMC actually leaves.

 

[Trice]

Honestly, and I'm sure I'm in minority but of all the jobs I think he'd fit the best (outside of Iowa State obviously) ......

it'd be Washington. A University that wants to win but it isn't the insane fish bowl of LSU or even USC - has a fairly good academic reputation, has had a program already built some by Coach Petersen and has a decent history of success. From a fit perspective, I'd say it's a better fit than LSU or USC but not as good of a fit IMO as Iowa State but of course I'm biased.

I've thought much this same thing. Washington seems like the best fit of all the jobs I probably wouldn't intuitively associate with Campbell.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

I know but the question is... how long does he want to coach? Is he a guy who wants to go till he's 68-70? Or is he a guy who loves coaching but also has other interests and wants to step aside when he's ready and still feels really good? I hope he's got another 5-6 years in him but depending on his mindset he might be close. I just don't know but I worry more about that than CMC leaving because I don't think there's a good chance CMC actually leaves.

Being a mostly career assistant coach as opposed to head coach takes a lot less out of you. I wouldn’t be surprised if Heacock is around for another 10 years (I think that will also be dependent on Campbell, as I think you get to a point where you don’t want to move around anymore).

 

[isufbcurt]

I know but the question is... how long does he want to coach? Is he a guy who wants to go till he's 68-70? Or is he a guy who loves coaching but also has other interests and wants to step aside when he's ready and still feels really good? I hope he's got another 5-6 years in him but depending on his mindset he might be close. I just don't know but I worry more about that than CMC leaving because I don't think there's a good chance CMC actually leaves.

Heacock is like Campbell in that he genuinely loves coaching and molding the players