Nebraska fans are so confused

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First bolded--then why did 'hero ball' get thrown out so much if ISU was so good at sharing the basketball? It was a lot of one on one and his teams could be pretty erratic.

2nd--What is your evidence for this? There were plenty of things thrown out there that the locker rooms were hardly great and management leaned toward enablement.

For your every day rube basketball fan this is just part and parcel with “not caring” and “lack of effort”.
 
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He would have recruited even better if he didn't have one foot out the door and told the 5 star recruits he didn't know if he would be there. It was a mistake IMO unless it was just about the money.
I knew he atleast had a foot out the summer he "secretly" interviewed for the Warriors.
 

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Are you suggesting that Nebraska is an organization that is efficient at locating and hiring coaches that will be worse than their predecessor? And does so in both basketball and football? :D
Another problem that they have is that Trev Alberts has a mediocre track record when it comes to building a basketball program. Omaha managed to sprinkle in a few winning seasons but has never maintained a positive direction in the program. Most seasons have been sub-500. Is he the guy that you want to choose the next coach?
 
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He’s just not a very driven coach at this point. He’s got his money, he’s not out working other coaches. He also has the personality of a rock. Not a great combo to try to turn a school with no history of success.

Yeah Fred goes out of his way to me more boring publicly than he really is.
 
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Another problem that they have is that Trev Alberts has a mediocre track record when it comes to building a basketball program. Omaha managed to sprinkle in a few winning seasons but has never maintained a positive direction in the program. Most seasons have been sub-500. Is he the guy that you want to choose the next coach?
People have a love hate with Alberts from dropping wrestling. Football too but wrestling seemed to make a louder groan.
 
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First bolded--then why did 'hero ball' get thrown out so much if ISU was so good at sharing the basketball? It was a lot of one on one and his teams could be pretty erratic.

2nd--What is your evidence for this? There were plenty of things thrown out there that the locker rooms were hardly great and management leaned toward enablement.
1.) So you are a "don't sweat enough" and "hero ball" guy? Oof. Fred's teams were very good at sharing the ball. He also was great at exploiting mismatches, which some think is hero ball. They were top-10 in the nation in A/FGM at least one season

2.) What is your evidence for otherwise?
I have wins, consistent execution, buy-in, and many players known for their professional and work ethic on my side. There was little lockerroom turmoil, despite, particularly the transfer narrative of "outcasts".
 

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Right. Which is not a CBB change stylistically. It has always been true that an average, at best defense, is a liability come tournament time. Btw, Oregon was a 10/55 split in AdjuO/AdjD, with good 3P shooting. Similar to Hoiball teams, although at a slower pace.
Who ever this is should probably just cut your losses and stop posting.
 

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1.) So you are a "don't sweat enough" and "hero ball" guy? Oof. Fred's teams were very good at sharing the ball. He also was great at exploiting mismatches, which some think is hero ball.

2.) What is your evidence for otherwise?
I have wins, consistent execution, buy-in, and many players known for their professional and work ethic on my side. There was little lockerroom turmoil, despite, particularly the transfer narrative of "outcasts".

Oh look more condescending dooshiness from Final Four.

I'm not any of that...you're acting like ISU basketball under Fred was late 80s/90s UNLV when it had plenty of games where things were stagnant.

Why did you switch your username?

Yes, very good at exploiting mismatches. Excellent with late game scores too overall.

So you're a 'buy-in' type for Fred but not TJ?
 

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Fred is putting up some historical numbers at Nebraska.
- Fred is currently 19-51.
- You need to go back to WW2 times to find a coach with a worse 2 year win total than Fred.
- Grandpa Hoiberg (Bush) had a few stinkers in his 9 year career at Nebby in the 50's. His overall record was 85-132.
- In all of history, Nebraska basketball is 1532-1416.
 

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People have a love hate with Alberts from dropping wrestling. Football too but wrestling seemed to make a louder groan.

Wrestling was cut, by voicemail, literally an hour after winning its sixth national championship in an eight-year span. The head coach was delivering his celebratory speech to the team at the time. UNO was the dynasty in D-II wrestling at the time. Much more popular than football.
 

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The main take away I got from this thread is DON'T EVER let @WhoISthis, get on the basketball search committee. It would be a disaster worse than hiring Prohm.
 

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Hoiball without Otz on the bench or recruiting...oofda

What makes TJ a great recruiter isn't just the stars attached to the players' names. What makes him a great recruiter is he brought/brings guys to Ames to live up to their billing and then some. Talent evaluation and fit matters and so does how you coach them up once you have them on campus.

Except McGowen is a higher ranked recruit than he ever got at ISU. Obviously you need more, but having a top 10 guy or whatever he was should allow you to build SOMETHING. But man they suck. There’s something deeply wrong that can’t be explained by simply losing the transfer and style of play novelty. After this season the Hoiberg era is going to be the worst era of the worst major college program.

See above. Xavier Foster had some nice star ratings but amounted to nothing.

He would have recruited even better if he didn't have one foot out the door and told the 5 star recruits he didn't know if he would be there. It was a mistake IMO unless it was just about the money.

This will be an all-time "What if?" for me with Cyclone basketball. What if Hoiberg really committed to Iowa State in the long term and forgot about the NBA? What if he then started landing those 5* guys who had an interest in his style of play? And what if he hired a "defensive coordinator" (and hey there's this guy kind of languishing in Cedar Falls who might be okay) to at least try to firm up the defense?
 

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You would think there was more, but I have watched them play and it's the same type of stuff he ran here. People are having zero trouble defending it, and they cannot defend anyone. I know McGowen is higher ranked.......but does he actually fit? BDJ was a talent but man........wasn't the transfer we were use to. I just think it was the perfect storm at the time.

Listen, I don't enjoy ripping on Fred because I loved me some Fred when he was here and I never held it against him for leaving. But his type of ball requires not only talent but whatever mojo Georges and co. had. Whatever it is, he is really having trouble finding it again. And considering how many people who were here with him on the bench that are now with him in Lincoln...........how else to you explain it other than the novelty has worn thin?
Culture matters. Steve Prohm fooled many here when he inherited guys like Naz, Morris, Georges etc. He had an equally, if not more talented roster in 2018-19 and it imploded on him.

It is not systemic changes. frankly, Fred is not the coach he was in 2010-2014. We've been hearing how the transfer rebuild is in the past now that everyone is doing it for 6 years, yet Prohm and TJ both have done that.
 

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People have a love hate with Alberts from dropping wrestling. Football too but wrestling seemed to make a louder groan.
You are correct, at least in Omaha, because the way it was handled was awful.
 

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This will be an all-time "What if?" for me with Cyclone basketball. What if Hoiberg really committed to Iowa State in the long term and forgot about the NBA? What if he then started landing those 5* guys who had an interest in his style of play? And what if he hired a "defensive coordinator" (and hey there's this guy kind of languishing in Cedar Falls who might be okay) to at least try to firm up the defense?
Maybe we'll find out with TJ- the offense will come I think, they are playing better than the shot making suggests. Although peak Fred was as good at exploiting mismatches as any imo.

But you're so correct, Sig. What if he started to get more top choices in recruiting, guys with slightly less defensive deficiencies because he was committed to Iowa St long term and recruiting that way? Plus, adding a guy like Green.

Speaking of what-ifs and Green, what if Prohm had given in and hired Green? Would that also have gotten AJ?
 

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First bolded--then why did 'hero ball' get thrown out so much if ISU was so good at sharing the basketball? It was a lot of one on one and his teams could be pretty erratic.

2nd--What is your evidence for this? There were plenty of things thrown out there that the locker rooms were hardly great and management leaned toward enablement.

hero ball was more of a Prohm thing. There was NO ball movement, just one on one. Terrible to watch.
 

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Culture matters. Steve Prohm fooled many here when he inherited guys like Naz, Morris, Georges etc. He had an equally, if not more talented roster in 2018-19 and it imploded on him.

It is not systemic changes. frankly, Fred is not the coach he was in 2010-2014. We've been hearing how the transfer rebuild is in the past now that everyone is doing it for 6 years, yet Prohm and TJ both have done that.


One.........you need to get professional help with your obsession with Prohm and two.......if it's not the transfer market, must be Fred then, right? Because if Prohm fooled people with those players.........so did Fred. Don't think so......look at his college results without them.
 
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Can't imagine JP having to fire Fred...maybe it was good he went after his NBA dream and left that possibility moot.
 
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