Isheem Young enters transfer portal

[BCClone]

I got a 26., had a 2.9ish for high school. As things go, I did kinda OK.

Google tells me it goes to 36.


My general plan is to open the doors and give people a chance. Obviously, not everyone is pushing on to maniacal extremes like I did, but that's fine. People find out a lot about subjects and themselves.

I wasn’t serious in HS. I showed up to test hung over and sick, hit a 26. I studied for one test in HS (never opened a book, some classes literally) That was reading my notes twice (only did because the teacher said he had never had a 100% on it in all his years so he kept the test and you could only look at it after, so I wanted to show up his arrogance) and carried a 3.67 in HS taking college preps.

It came easy for me. Why I struggled at the beginning of college.

 

[CycloneErik]

From the peeps at ACT:

Understanding Your Scores - The ACT Test

Understanding the various aspects of your ACT test scores and how to use them.

www.act.org

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[BCClone]

NCAA D1 Sliding Scale

Core GPA	New SAT	Old SAT	ACT
3.550	400	400	37
3.525	410	410	38
3.500	430	420	39
3.475	440	430	40
3.450	460	440	41
3.425	470	450	41
3.400	490	460	42
3.375	500	470	42
3.350	520	480	43
3.325	530	490	44
3.300	550	500	44
3.275	560	510	45
3.250	580	520	46
3.225	590	530	46
3.200	600	540	47
3.175	620	550	47
3.150	630	560	48
3.125	650	570	49
3.100	660	580	49
3.075	680	590	50
3.050	690	600	50
3.025	710	610	51
3.000	720	620	52
2.975	730	630	52
2.950	740	640	53
2.925	750	650	53
2.900	750	660	54
2.875	760	670	55
2.850	770	680	56
2.825	780	690	56
2.800	790	700	57
2.775	800	710	58
2.750	810	720	59
2.725	820	730	60
2.700	830	740	61
2.675	840	750	61
2.650	850	760	62
2.625	860	770	63
2.600	860	780	64
2.575	870	790	65
2.550	880	800	66
2.525	890	810	67
2.500	900	820	68
2.475	910	830	69
2.450	920	840	70
2.425	930	850	70
2.400	940	860	71
2.375	950	870	72
2.350	960	880	73
2.325	970	890	74
2.300	980	900	75
GPA’s Below 2.3 Are Redshirt only
2.299	990	910	76
2.275	990	910	76
2.250	1000	920	77
2.225	1010	930	78
2.200	1020	940	79
2.175	1030	950	80
2.150	1040	960	81
2.125	1050	970	82
2.100	1060	980	83
2.075	1070	990	84
2.050	1080	1000	85
2.025	1090	1010	86
2.000	1100	1020	86

If I should delete this, just let me know mods due to length or just delete it.

So a 22 composite on an ACT and you can have a 2.00gpa?

 

[clone1480]

So a 22 composite on an ACT and you can have a 2.00gpa?

Yes, that is correct.

And some college is better than no college. I am 100% in favor of giving a kid a chance to prove him/herself. At the very least, that individual will get a college experience and hopefully better themselves.

 

[ClonesFTW]

Standardized tests aren't perfect, but they are a pretty damn good indicator for the majority of takers.

 

[clone1480]

Standardized tests aren't perfect, but they are a pretty damn good indicator for the majority of takers.

Agree, but they also cannot measure a person's determination and effort. Some can overcome and succeed if given the chance. Also, it's hard to expect a kid from a bad high school to do well on a standardized test.

 

[Neptune78]

Back to Young, are we wondering what he scored on his ACT?

 

[CascadeClone]

I'm in favor of pitching the ACT/SAT stuff for college. If people want to base scholarships on it, that is their choice. I have seen too many times a high ACT person do poorly due to work skills and general ability and also seen poor test takers really excel in school and work. They just aren't a great standardized test taker.

Totally agree that effort and conscientiousness can trump smarts. But that is the exception that proves the rule: simple, flawed, standardized tests are still the best predictor of success. Not neccessarily "good", but "best".

It shouldnt be the only criteria, but it should be part of the decision criteria.

 

[CycloneErik]

Agree, but they also cannot measure a person's determination and effort. Some can overcome and succeed if given the chance. Also, it's hard to expect a kid from a bad high school to do well on a standardized test.

That last part is the trick, and that's why they truly are not an indication of ability. They just indicate the background the test taker is coming from.
Too often, that indicates the level of future success, but that doesn't make the tests an accurate measure. It just shows some major problems in people's backgrounds.

 

[isucy86]

NCAA D1 Sliding Scale

Core GPA	New SAT	Old SAT	ACT
3.550	400	400	37
3.525	410	410	38
3.500	430	420	39
3.475	440	430	40
3.450	460	440	41
3.425	470	450	41
3.400	490	460	42
3.375	500	470	42
3.350	520	480	43
3.325	530	490	44
3.300	550	500	44
3.275	560	510	45
3.250	580	520	46
3.225	590	530	46
3.200	600	540	47
3.175	620	550	47
3.150	630	560	48
3.125	650	570	49
3.100	660	580	49
3.075	680	590	50
3.050	690	600	50
3.025	710	610	51
3.000	720	620	52
2.975	730	630	52
2.950	740	640	53
2.925	750	650	53
2.900	750	660	54
2.875	760	670	55
2.850	770	680	56
2.825	780	690	56
2.800	790	700	57
2.775	800	710	58
2.750	810	720	59
2.725	820	730	60
2.700	830	740	61
2.675	840	750	61
2.650	850	760	62
2.625	860	770	63
2.600	860	780	64
2.575	870	790	65
2.550	880	800	66
2.525	890	810	67
2.500	900	820	68
2.475	910	830	69
2.450	920	840	70
2.425	930	850	70
2.400	940	860	71
2.375	950	870	72
2.350	960	880	73
2.325	970	890	74
2.300	980	900	75
GPA’s Below 2.3 Are Redshirt only
2.299	990	910	76
2.275	990	910	76
2.250	1000	920	77
2.225	1010	930	78
2.200	1020	940	79
2.175	1030	950	80
2.150	1040	960	81
2.125	1050	970	82
2.100	1060	980	83
2.075	1070	990	84
2.050	1080	1000	85
2.025	1090	1010	86
2.000	1100	1020	86

If I should delete this, just let me know mods due to length or just delete it.

My guess the ACT scores you show are additive of the individual subject matter tests

It used to be with ACT most people focus on composite scores which can range from something like 16(low) to 35 (perfect).

Whereas, with SAT the individual subject matter tests were added to arrive at a total score vs. an average with ACT.

I might be wrong as I took my standardized tests 30(GRE) to 40 (ACT) years ago.

 

[Tri4Cy]

There was a bit of a challenge deciding how high or low in the F range he should go. Write down enough points to give him a chance to redeem himself later, or just bury him with the score he deserved?

I aimed somewhere in the middle, but it didn't matter. He blew off enough other stuff and plagiarized a big assignment, so nothing really mattered.

I actually saved an exam from my lit class. The grade was "F- and if there was a grade lower than that, I would give it to you." At least the professor was cool and after a private meeting I was able to explain my ADD and issues with reading comprehension. She offered to give me a C if I took tutoring and she could basically prove my effort and I'm not just a dumb idiot phoning it in.

 

[ClonesInDallas]

*sees new replies within the Isheem Young thread* - maybe there's news on his landing spot. Nope a bunch of posts about ACT/SAT/GPA. Who the hell cares

 

[cysmiley]

NCAA D1 Sliding Scale

Core GPA	New SAT	Old SAT	ACT
3.550	400	400	37
3.525	410	410	38
3.500	430	420	39
3.475	440	430	40
3.450	460	440	41
3.425	470	450	41
3.400	490	460	42
3.375	500	470	42
3.350	520	480	43
3.325	530	490	44
3.300	550	500	44
3.275	560	510	45
3.250	580	520	46
3.225	590	530	46
3.200	600	540	47
3.175	620	550	47
3.150	630	560	48
3.125	650	570	49
3.100	660	580	49
3.075	680	590	50
3.050	690	600	50
3.025	710	610	51
3.000	720	620	52
2.975	730	630	52
2.950	740	640	53
2.925	750	650	53
2.900	750	660	54
2.875	760	670	55
2.850	770	680	56
2.825	780	690	56
2.800	790	700	57
2.775	800	710	58
2.750	810	720	59
2.725	820	730	60
2.700	830	740	61
2.675	840	750	61
2.650	850	760	62
2.625	860	770	63
2.600	860	780	64
2.575	870	790	65
2.550	880	800	66
2.525	890	810	67
2.500	900	820	68
2.475	910	830	69
2.450	920	840	70
2.425	930	850	70
2.400	940	860	71
2.375	950	870	72
2.350	960	880	73
2.325	970	890	74
2.300	980	900	75
GPA’s Below 2.3 Are Redshirt only
2.299	990	910	76
2.275	990	910	76
2.250	1000	920	77
2.225	1010	930	78
2.200	1020	940	79
2.175	1030	950	80
2.150	1040	960	81
2.125	1050	970	82
2.100	1060	980	83
2.075	1070	990	84
2.050	1080	1000	85
2.025	1090	1010	86
2.000	1100	1020	86

If I should delete this, just let me know mods due to length or just delete it.

36 is the top for each test section, composite is the average score of sections, there is math, science, english and reading, 36*4 =144 total perfect score, average =36 composite perfect score

 

[CycloneErik]

I actually saved an exam from my lit class. The grade was "F- and if there was a grade lower than that, I would give it to you." At least the professor was cool and after a private meeting I was able to explain my ADD and issues with reading comprehension. She offered to give me a C if I took tutoring and she could basically prove my effort and I'm not just a dumb idiot phoning it in.

That's just nasty. There's no excuse for writing that to someone at all.
That's the approach I took with a nasty prof. He acknowledged he was wrong and promised to fix his behavior (which he did), but also volunteered that there were other approaches I could and should take if he didn't.

He wouldn't explicitly have known, but I had the links for disciplinary action with tenured profs sitting on my computer and was ready to fire off the forms and raise some hell.


With a prof like that, I'd head straight to their department chair. If they responded poorly, it's dean time. There's no call to write that on a student's work, even when it's not good at all.

 

[Gunnerclone]

My kids could have better grades had they completely shut up but I told them that I would rather pay more for college and have them learn to fight than a 4.0 who got trampled.

I did tell them to pick their battles though. There is a time and a place just to shut up and except it I mentioned. Your daughter appears to be in that situation

This was me in HS. Wish I had the 4.0 instead. 2.3 cum GPA/29 ACT.

 

[BCClone]

Totally agree that effort and conscientiousness can trump smarts. But that is the exception that proves the rule: simple, flawed, standardized tests are still the best predictor of success. Not neccessarily "good", but "best".

It shouldnt be the only criteria, but it should be part of the decision criteria.

Disagree that it’s the exception. Seen it too much to say that. Some of these schools are crap.

 

[ClonesFTW]

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[Cyclad]

I have decided that University's need to decide if they are a minor league for pro football or a university who happens to offer football.

Let the 20-40 university's [who knows how many would do it] sign up for this super minor leagues. No rules [not really any now]. Let the rest come up with a set of rules that they can agree to that will stand legal challenges and continue to play college football. I am becoming more interested in non power 5 football with each new published account of $$$$$$$$$hit!

This is an excellent post, and I have to believe this is where things are headed. If this happens, and we are not part of the “pro” league, I will be happy and never watch a single game the “haves” play.

 

[cyclone1209]

Pretty sure there are workarounds. I've turned in Ds and Fs for players before and then watched them appear on the field.
As a note, people getting Ds and Fs simply because they just don't do the work usually do it across the board in all their courses. Somehow, they were all eligible.

Right. Well they’re only truly hurting themselves. Most people need skills in life. Modern day football will ultimately make academics optional.

 

[madguy30]

I actually saved an exam from my lit class. The grade was "F- and if there was a grade lower than that, I would give it to you." At least the professor was cool and after a private meeting I was able to explain my ADD and issues with reading comprehension. She offered to give me a C if I took tutoring and she could basically prove my effort and I'm not just a dumb idiot phoning it in.

Had a prof once who let me write a paper explaining the content after a meeting as it was obvious tests were going to be a problem.

Testing was always a slog for me but papers/essay were a strength.

They were known to not be very flexible so I was lucky they allowed it.