*** Official #25 Texas Tech vs #11 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

BuffettClone

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I'm honestly convinced a short roster can have a positive effect. There's no looking over your shoulder if you make a mistake. You can play completely free because you aren't coming out. There's also the fact you come in with zero expectations due to being down so many guys.

It obviously worked to our extreme advantage not having to deal with Shannon et al, but I think you saw a team play completely free due to only having 7 guys.

I was starting to wonder if having a short roster helped them with the officials too. It seemed they were more lenient and allowing more contact by Tech players. Might have been subconsciously avoiding getting the players in foul trouble.
 

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They are a lot bigger, taller, thicker etc. They out athleted us pretty bad, even without Shannon who is an elite athlete, and others.
I don’t think the difference that great, although Hunter is small. Bigger difference is in the willingness to foul.

Baylor is a bigger physical mismatch imo
 

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Brockington he no reason to make that pass. Take the foul and take the free throws.

You’re up 5 with the ball under 15 seconds. Unless you’re absolutely wide open easy pass/easy layup you hold the ball and take the foul. I realize these are high level players and that should be an easy bucket, but too sped up at that point and IB was double teamed coming down the floor.

Feel like that was a lapse in judgement from a senior leader who knows better.

Absolute worst case - even if you miss both free throws - is you’re up 5 with 12 seconds left and got 90 feet to go off a missed free throw.

Looks like a pretty straightforward pass/layup to me: I dunno maybe it got knocked out of his hands by the off-balance defender but it didn't really look like it.

These guys just have bewilderingly bad ball security at times. Outside of TH, I had very little faith in any of them dribbling in traffic in this game -- and that would include IB in this situation. With that officiating crew, there's no guarantee that a foul would've been called before the ball was stolen. Second-guessing IB's decision to make a fairly routine fast-break pass is just armchair quarterbacking.
 
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Both ways, but we didn’t equitably exploit that. When you pick and choose when you violate the rule, you get called for fouls. If you just ignore it 100% of the time, you don’t

But the cylinder rule isn’t the only thing. Just as big is off ball. They restrict the ability to pass by constantly grabbing and bodying
It was a little reminiscent of the disastrous UAB game in how on and off the ball freedom of movement was completely restricted and not called. The difference was that kind of game was something this team can function in.
 
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Do none of you guys listen to the corner 3 podcast? This is exactly what Scotty said would happen. Tech plays a matchup zone and switches 1-5. He said in the podcast that we would struggle mightily against how this defense works if we went to the high post with Conditt. He said the key to beating it would be to get IB the ball in the middle at the free throw line.
I wonder if Porter Moser will be implementing some form of that defense at OU's practice today. Hopefully, ISU can come up with a counter-strategy.
 

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You don't get a great look at it there, but the shooter jumped forward at a pretty good angle into Kunc, while Kunc played it straight up. I saw it live from the side, it seemed like a good call.
The first angle was the best, there was space given to a guy holding a ball.
 

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Looks like a pretty straightforward pass/layup to me: I dunno maybe it got knocked out of his hands by the off-balance defender but it didn't really look like it.

These guys just have bewilderingly bad ball security at times. Outside of TH, I had very little faith in any of them dribbling in traffic in this game -- and that would include IB in this situation. With that officiating crew, there's no guarantee that a foul would've been called before the ball was stolen. Second-guessing IB's decision to make a fairly routine fast-break pass is just armchair quarterbacking.

You had confidence in TH? He was TO prone too
 

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Playing OU will be a bit of a break because they are one of the worst defenses in conference even though they are still top 40. Think it is a good matchup for ISU and think they have a shot of pulling it off.

ISU needs it to keep things humming in the W/L column in conference. @KU on Tuesday and home against another ranked opponent in UT. Then they play @ Tech the following Tuesday. If the guys could go 3-3 in this stretch they will have proved to me at least that they’ll finish top 4 in the league.
 

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ISU needs it to keep things humming in the W/L column in conference. @KU on Tuesday and home against another ranked opponent in UT. Then they play @ Tech the following Tuesday. If the guys could go 3-3 in this stretch they will have proved to me at least that they’ll finish top 4 in the league.
I think going 2-4 is going to be tough. I don't see them going 3-3 but if they do then yeah I would think they could finish 4th in the conference.
 
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He elbowed Kunz in the face and it was reviewed if it was flagrant. It was ruled not flagrant, but it falls in line with a point of emphasis this season that the offensive player is not allowed to create contact when shooting. In prior years, probably not called a foul.

Hats off to kunz, he drew 11 fouls last night

I would love any lurking KU fan to post some images and video from the past five years in college or NBA where a defender fouled a shooter on the elbow with his chin and made no other contact.

I have never seen it but the announcer, some on twitter and some KU fans appear to think this is a common call in modern basketball.

You could petition to change reality so defenders can be called for fouling face to elbow, but this is not the reality we currently live in.
 
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Do none of you guys listen to the corner 3 podcast? This is exactly what Scotty said would happen. Tech plays a matchup zone and switches 1-5. He said in the podcast that we would struggle mightily against how this defense works if we went to the high post with Conditt. He said the key to beating it would be to get IB the ball in the middle at the free throw line.

Not a good job with the game plan or adjustments last night, but the front-runner for national coach of the year deserves a pass now and then. I thought the offensive game plan and execution (other than shot-making) was outstanding against Baylor. Not so much last night.

While last night is a little unsettling, it's also kind of the best tool for a coach. Get a win but make tons of mistakes and quite frankly get lucky to escape with the W. The free throw defense was on point last night.

I'm pretty optimistic we will be able to just chalk this up as a weird game. Come out and get a W at OU and all is forgotten.
 
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My biggest takeaway from the night is King McClure is a HORRIBLE play by play announcer and no offense to CW, but he's no Scott Christopherson either.
I thought CW was sick and didn't end up doing the game last night?
 

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I would love any lurking KU fan to post some images and video from the past five years in college or NBA where a defender fouled a shooter on the elbow with his chin and made no other contact.

I have never seen it but the announcer, some on twitter and some KU fans appear to think this is a common call in modern basketball.

You could petition to change reality so defenders can be called for fouling face to elbow, but this is not the reality we currently live in.
You are not allowed to change your shot to force contact into a defender. It's a force of emphasis in the NBA for refs to watch, as for the last 8 years or so (mostly done by Harden and Steph), guys would jump into defenders, stick out their elbow or leg to gain an advantage.

Last night's call was close, but you can see the Tech player lean his elbow into Kunc to make contact for a foul. If it doesn't hit him in the face would they have called it a foul on Kunc? I think so, but any contact made above the shoulders by the offense is going to be called some sort of foul usually.
 

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Totally deserved to lose a game ISU led for all but 30 seconds.

In all seriousness last year they lose it or really the last two-three years and it was tough to break the conditioining as a fan.

But they pulled it off and it's on to Norman.
On BartTorivk we got a game score of 97 and had a 6.6 point lead on average the entire game. I don't know how you get much better than that but reading through the game thread you would have thought it was a Prohm coached team vs Tech.
 

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An aside on Kunc's taking one in the chops, I noticed #3 from TT later hopped off the bench during a stoppage and shook Kunc's hand by way of apology which I thought was pretty classy. He certainly didn't need to do that.
Yes noticed that too - came out at the TO to make sure Kunc was OK. Got to hand it to TTU, they might be the first team that matched ISU's effort and intensity for a full 40 minutes, Baylor included. Those dudes played HARD.

That was like a Bo Ryan Wisconsin vs. Thad Matta Ohio State game. Ugly, intense, and physical.