*** Official #15 IOWA STATE vs #18 Texas Tech Game(Day) Thread ***

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Better/more talented ISU teams have played way worse vs. way worse Tech teams, that's for sure.

That is for sure. The most maddening was the 14-15 team. Just a week after beating KU on "gameday" at Hilton they lay an egg in Lubbock. And Tech was BAD.
 

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No doubt shooting more FTs helped TT. The issue is why there was a FT/foul discrepancy.

Six games into conference play, and this foul/FT disparity issue has come up in several games already. You either have to buy into some kind of conspiracy against ISU, or look at what the offense is doing. I like a good conspiracy, but in this case, it isn't warranted, IMO. The ISU offense needs to start putting foul pressure on its opponents by being more aggressive (like the opponents are doing to ISU).

Maybe ISU's players aren't oriented that way now, but IMO it is something you can teach to some extent. Just like you can teach guys to play tough defense...
I think our offense is easy to defend. We don't shoot well from the outside and we really don't have slashes that get to the basket. Our leading scorer is almost incapable of dribbling right handed while being guarded and when he does drive he rarely goes all the way to the basket. Unless we get hot from outside every offensive possession is a struggle. Also, against the press we rarely make a team pay for it and I know defenses are good in the league but how many fast break points do we have in conference play? Our lack of consistency on offense means no game in conference is a sure win and all games will be a struggle.
 
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Here's the shot chart from ESPN on the second half that describes this. It doesn't mean there weren't tick tack fouls called on ISU, or that the officiating was consistent and called both ways. But it definitely shows a massive difference, that TTU was overwhelmingly going to the rim, and ISU was not. That's going to drive a big FT discrepancy. This and the first half shot chart also dispels the idea mentioned that ISU was getting fouled a lot but not getting calls attacking the basket. I recall Jones not getting a call and clearly getting fouled, but it was not too prevalent. Otherwise you would see a lot of missed shots at the rim by ISU. That really wasn't the case. ISU missed some short ones on putbacks and dishes to Rob and TE.

TTU was absolutely determined to get to the rim. They missed some shots at the rim and had some TOs, but they knew they would lose shooting jump shots, and accepted those misses and TOs, and it worked. ISU settled for a really high percentage of jump shots despite not missing many shots on drives.

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This would be really cool to see them added one at a time or somehow related to time on the clock. I'd bet that a lot of those "at the rims" were after our bigs had their 4th fouls and THEN, even more after they left the game. My feeling might be wrong, but it is my feeling. BTW, that is EXACTLY what I would instruct my team to do in that same situation.
 
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He would have quite a bit of tape from last year when he played quite a bit. Throwing him out there for a spark when the game was out of reach was a zero sum scenario for TJ. Not giving Tre a few more minutes when the game was still teetering in the balance was a little strange
Tape, maybe... But scouted thoroughly? Absolutely not. Team wouldn't spend time on a guy who hasn't been in all year.
 

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The ball and body movement was certainly better earlier in the season, but realistically that might be more about going up against elite defenses most nights.

I'm with you - I want to see a Hunter have a direct hand in the shot way more often. I think Brockington could have a huge offensive impact being a really active cutter and offensive rebound rather than getting the ball on a short shot clock and asked to create.

Last night sucked but I'm not worried. I think this gives TJ and the staff a really clear picture of some things to try to free up the offense. Adams is a hell of a defensive coach. On one hand TJ might be runaway National coach of the year, but I think he also might damn near be falling behind Adams for Big 12 COY.

This league is just filthy.
TJ is a great success story locally and nationally. That said, Adams has kinda coached circles around him for about 60/80 minutes in both their tenures thus far. No shame in it really. Adams is no spring chicken and has been around the game for a long time, despite relative lack of HC experience.
 

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Tape, maybe... But scouted thoroughly? Absolutely not. Team wouldn't spend time on a guy who hasn't been in all year.
True, but they probably scouted him last year when for stretches he was actually one of our better players. I think given all of their returning players/coaches they probably remember him from a year ago. Regardless, they probably, no, most certainly, were in cruise control for most of the 5 min. he was in. We scored 8 points in the last 20 seconds to make this thing look like it had been semi-competitive, LOL.

I'd have to go back and check (don't really want to) but I want to say Walker had one of his better games v. Tech last year too. Double digit rebounds if I remember right. Not really relevant to the conversation we're having, so I digress...
 
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TJ is a great success story locally and nationally. That said, Adams has kinda coached circles around him for about 60/80 minutes in both their tenures thus far. No shame in it really. Adams is no spring chicken and has been around the game for a long time, despite relative lack of HC experience.

It's easier to have the advantage with Tech's players too.
 
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Watching the game now, did anybody talk about Kunc's foul at 15:44? That was the biggest flop I've ever seen, dude barley touched him and he went flying 15 feet backwards. Complete Hollywood production.
That was awful. I'm not sure Kunc --no offense to the kid-- even has the physical strength to throw a guy around like that.
 

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True, but they probably scouted him last year when for stretches he was actually one of our better players. I think given all of their returning players/coaches they probably remember him from a year ago. Regardless, they probably, no, most certainly, were in cruise control for most of the 5 min. he was in. We scored 8 points in the last 20 seconds to make this thing look like it had been semi-competitive, LOL.

I'd have to go back and check (don't really want to) but I want to say Walker had one of his better games v. Tech last year too. Double digit rebounds if I remember right. Not really relevant to the conversation we're having, so I digress...
Jaden didnt score in either game against Tech last year
 
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Big George loves ISU and has done a lot of good things! Love his attitude. The team needs him. Anyone tweeting this stuff at the players really needs to check themselves.

I wonder what George was talking about, because I looked at every tweet that was @‘d at him and only found one negative tweet just some guy telling him he should retire. Even bad tweet sucks, but if it was Iowa half the fan base would have tweeted him.
 

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It's easier to have the advantage with Tech's players too.
Right, I can't remember who said it in here and there are too many pages to go back and sift through, but basically said ISU is trying to run Tech's system with players who on the whole are smaller, maybe half-step slower and/or athletic etc.
 

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Watching the game now, did anybody talk about Kunc's foul at 15:44? That was the biggest flop I've ever seen, dude barley touched him and he went flying 15 feet backwards. Complete Hollywood production.

I believe that Walters/Heft were pulling out their hair. Got that vibe from listening to the radio!
 

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I believe that Walters/Heft were pulling out their hair. Got that vibe from listening to the radio!
He barely extended his forearm at all, then all of a sudden the guy is sliding 15 feet backwards across the floor, ref immediately calls a foul on Jaz, doesn't even think about going to the monitor or anything to look for a flop.

Like another poster said, no human being would even have the strength to fling someone that far across the court and the refs call a foul on us.
 
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I think our offense is easy to defend. We don't shoot well from the outside and we really don't have slashes that get to the basket. Our leading scorer is almost incapable of dribbling right handed while being guarded and when he does drive he rarely goes all the way to the basket. Unless we get hot from outside every offensive possession is a struggle. Also, against the press we rarely make a team pay for it and I know defenses are good in the league but how many fast break points do we have in conference play? Our lack of consistency on offense means no game in conference is a sure win and all games will be a struggle.
I really agree on the press. If our half-court offense is struggling, it has to be a higher percentage play to attack the press rather than pulling it back and allowing them to set up their full defense. We need at least one more good outside shooter so we can spread the court and open up the middle.