He's saying Wisconsin and Iowa State should both be higher in the rankings. Both teams play defense and aren't putting up gaudy numbers against dog sh!t teams.
Edit: he beat me to it
NET Rankings are Flawed
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He's saying Wisconsin and Iowa State should both be higher in the rankings. Both teams play defense and aren't putting up gaudy numbers against dog sh!t teams.
Edit: he beat me to it
Right! And right behind Wisconsin at #20 is Iowa with an 0-4 Q1 record. Makes no sense that those two teams are even close to each other.
One question I wonder about is if there are any adjustments to the efficiency metrics themselves. Does it count garbage time/routs? Does it account at all for strength of opponent? If a team's offensive efficiency is 130 against a bad defense and 90 against a good defense, with no adjustments that would average the same as if it were 110 against both, even though I think most would argue that the latter is better.
I think that's the issue. I don't think margin of win matters anymore but the offensive efficiency numbers definitely do. It appears to me that this metric is weighted way too heavily.
Seems like most rating systems have ISU rated significantly lower than what I would expect based on our resume. My guess is some of our narrow-ish victories against very bad opponents early in the season are the culprit.
Well they aren’t doing the Selections tomorrow so these don’t really matter at this point.
I think its this. Both scoring margin and NET efficiency are not our friend I would bet, and go a long way to explaining why we're ranked where we are at.
Margin of victory matters, but its capped at 10. It's listed as one of the 5 factors.
Scoring margin is an area where we struggle and Iowa succeeds. This pillow soft non-con and B1G schedule provide plenty opportunity for large victories.
I definitely think it is flawed first and foremost. My eyes, the schedule, and the score between the 2 tells me Iowa State is better. They should be higher than Iowa in the rankings. I think it's unfair though that people say the net is flawed but then point out it's flawed by showing their quad wins based off their formula because I think that is also flawed. Kansas state could have a better record in the SEC but worse NET ranking they benefit too much by losing to good teams. The bad rises because of the good unjustly. It happened in the Big Ten last year. In the end the Big Ten was not as good as what the NET or committee told us.
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On paper Iowa is a really efficient team but those numbers are certainly skewed especially when you compare their results against good defensive squads. At the end of the day who you beat and who you lose to has to matter.
So much is weighted on the offensive efficiency numbers, along with the margin of victory in wins/losses, along with where the wins are coming from. Here are the latest for the teams...
Iowa: 4 (OE) 94 (DE) +13.7 (MoV)
Wisky: 60 (OE) 121 (DE) +5.8 (MoV)
ISU: 180 (OE) 10 (DE) +8.7 (MoV)
Iowa's efficiency numbers are very good, with the DE number improving by more than 50 over the past 2 weeks, while the ISU OE number has dropped nearly 30. The quality wins are what is saving ISU, while Iowa is being hurt. Wisky's efficiency numbers are a bit better than ISU, but they have 1 less quad 1 win. Given how net works, they teams are properly placed...it really is a result of the calculation.
Iowa: 4 (OE) 94 (DE) +13.7 (MoV)
Wisky: 60 (OE) 121 (DE) +5.8 (MoV)
ISU: 180 (OE) 10 (DE) +8.7 (MoV)
Iowa's efficiency numbers are very good, with the DE number improving by more than 50 over the past 2 weeks, while the ISU OE number has dropped nearly 30. The quality wins are what is saving ISU, while Iowa is being hurt. Wisky's efficiency numbers are a bit better than ISU, but they have 1 less quad 1 win. Given how net works, they teams are properly placed...it really is a result of the calculation.
I can't say that's the case this year though. How can you say K-State is benefiting, they are #68 in NET. Last year the B1G was extremely top heavy and everyone knew that. This year the Big 12 has 10 teams that can beat you night in night out. It's a freakin grind and that should carry some weight.
To follow on the previous Iowa, Wisky, ISU stats, Houston is top 10 in OE, DE, and MoV. Normally they would be an easy #1 in NET rankings, but they take a hit due to their strength of schedule and zero quad 1 wins.
They don't drop or move even when they lose. You have enough good teams in a league and it makes the bad ones rise in their formula by just playing the games. Last Big Ten had it too. There was like 7-17 type teams in the top 100.
