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Probably but there is no guarantee of that. It wouldn't be shocking at all if you look back in 10 years and you end up asking yourself how did that team only win 1 Super Bowl? Especially in the NFL where seasons can easily be wiped out by injuries. Up 21-3 at home vs. that Cincy team you have to close that game out.
Correct there is never a guarantee, but KC is still in good shape, they have one of the top QB's in the league, the Oline is young and will improve. They need to retool the defense, getting younger in the back, but they also have 2 young LB's to build around.

Find another WR, edge rusher and load up on the backend of the defense and they will be fine.
 
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Two more 3rd round picks from front office signing more if Bienemy ever gets hired. Doubtful this year.
 

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Correct there is never a guarantee, but KC is still in good shape, they have one of the top QB's in the league, the Oline is young and will improve. They need to retool the defense, getting younger in the back, but they also have 2 young LB's to build around.

Find another WR, edge rusher and load up on the backend of the defense and they will be fine.
Good Luck Beating Joe Burrow...Mahomes had 2 shots at beating Joe Burrow and FAILED MISERABLY.....
Andy Reid at his Presser STILL INSISITS HE CAN RUN 2 PLAYS IN 5 SECONDS..
Some of the reporters giggled at that one!!!
 

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Good Luck Beating Joe Burrow...Mahomes had 2 shots at beating Joe Burrow and FAILED MISERABLY.....
Andy Reid at his Presser STILL INSISITS HE CAN RUN 2 PLAYS IN 5 SECONDS..
Some of the reporters giggled at that one!!!

Then those reporters are stupid. You absolutely can have a quick pass to the endzone in less than 5 seconds. It's not debatable.
 

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Good Luck Beating Joe Burrow...Mahomes had 2 shots at beating Joe Burrow and FAILED MISERABLY.....
Andy Reid at his Presser STILL INSISITS HE CAN RUN 2 PLAYS IN 5 SECONDS..
Some of the reporters giggled at that one!!!
The AFC is loaded with good young QB's, the idea that Burrow and the Bengals are going to dominate the league any more than Allen and the Bills, or Mahomes and the Chiefs is crazy.
The Bengals won the other day, hats off to them, but the two teams will meet again.
 

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I think you let Mathieu walk unless he takes a very team friendly deal. His play seemed pretty down this year. The rest is right.
I do think he dipped but just slightly. The defense was a lot better this past week than it was in Divisional Round. I attribute a good portion of that to Mathieu. I think he's the quarterback out there and without him we had a lot of blown coverages.

Defensive line has to get better. It should be better. A lot of money has been spent up front but we aren't getting results
 
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I do think he dipped but just slightly. The defense was a lot better this past week than it was in Divisional Round. I attribute a good portion of that to Mathieu. I think he's the quarterback out there and without him we had a lot of blown coverages.

Defensive line has to get better. It should be better. A lot of money has been spent up front but we aren't getting results
It is one thing to know you won't have a player, and another to lose him on the second snap.

Having a defense that can get pressure with 4 makes up for average secondary play.

I would fire and cut a lot of people on the Chiefs.
 
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If I'm a KC fan the money dedicated to QB1 would be concerning.

I was shocked that they pissed that thing away Sunday. I think Reid has to own that one above all. This is his MO more so than the super bowl win over his career (which has mostly been really good). Even the win they tried to give away. As someone said, other than Brady, winning it all is hard. Get 2 and your among the tops ever and I assume that's still a good chance if they are creative with that cap and get a couple more pics right.
 

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If I'm a KC fan the money dedicated to QB1 would be concerning.

I was shocked that they pissed that thing away Sunday. I think Reid has to own that one above all. This is his MO more so than the super bowl win over his career (which has mostly been really good). Even the win they tried to give away. As someone said, other than Brady, winning it all is hard. Get 2 and your among the tops ever and I assume that's still a good chance if they are creative with that cap and get a couple more pics right.
It's the price of winning in the NFL, to win games year after year you have to have a great QB, and when you find one, you have to pay him. The days of a person like Brady playing for under market value year after year is gone. What would the Packers be without Rodgers, or the Bucs without Brady? Just an average to below average team. Look at the Titans, they have a great team but an average QB, and he is holding them back from getting to the super bowl.

Rarely do you see a team like the 85 Bears or some of those Washington teams winning super bowls without a great QB. Today its all about getting a Mahomes, Rodgers or Brady, and once you have them, build around them and let them go win the game. The whole salary structure of the NFL is setup to stop a team from dominating over and over. What you do not want to do is end up like the Cowboys, where you have very good QB play from Dak, but not a difference maker that costs you a fortune.
 
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It's the price of winning in the NFL, to win games year after year you have to have a great QB, and when you find one, you have to pay him. The days of a person like Brady playing for under market value year after year is gone. What would the Packers be without Rodgers, or the Bucs without Brady? Just an average to below average team. Look at the Titans, they have a great team but an average QB, and he is holding them back from getting to the super bowl.

Rarely do you see a team like the 85 Bears or some of those Washington teams winning super bowls without a great QB. Today its all about getting a Mahomes, Rodgers or Brady, and once you have them, build around them and let them go win the game. The whole salary structure of the NFL is setup to stop a team from dominating over and over. What you do not want to do is end up like the Cowboys, where you have very good QB play from Dak, but not a difference maker that costs you a fortune.
While I don't disagree that QB is important, has the trend of them not winning once they are paid top money changed? If not then my point stands and yours ignores the fact that Mahomes and Erin might mean you're competitive but still not winning it all.
 

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If I'm a KC fan the money dedicated to QB1 would be concerning.

I was shocked that they pissed that thing away Sunday. I think Reid has to own that one above all. This is his MO more so than the super bowl win over his career (which has mostly been really good). Even the win they tried to give away. As someone said, other than Brady, winning it all is hard. Get 2 and your among the tops ever and I assume that's still a good chance if they are creative with that cap and get a couple more pics right.

Would you rather have 45m to Mahomes or 40m to Dak Prescott. Or 32m to Carson Wentz. Or 30m to Matt Ryan?

The minimum wage for a non rookie starting QB in this league is 25-30m. So unless you want to start over with a rookie, 45m is not that much especially with cap continuing to increase.
 

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Then those reporters are stupid. You absolutely can have a quick pass to the endzone in less than 5 seconds. It's not debatable.
Exactly. Just look at the play in question. If Mahomes had thrown to the end zone as the play was drawn up, there would have been time left on the clock if it was incomplete. He threw the ball with 3 seconds left on the clock, so it wasn't a question of getting the ball out in time.

The issue on that play was that Mahomes freelanced. That's it.
 

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Exactly. Just look at the play in question. If Mahomes had thrown to the end zone as the play was drawn up, there would have been time left on the clock if it was incomplete. He threw the ball with 3 seconds left on the clock, so it wasn't a question of getting the ball out in time.

The issue on that play was that Mahomes freelanced. That's it.
Did they say that wasn't how the play was drawn up? It looked like that was the plan, honestly if Hill runs more of a swing pass route to the pylon rather than stopping to catch the ball like a screen pass he would have had a half decent chance. Apple made a great play getting across the field in time though.
 

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Did they say that wasn't how the play was drawn up? It looked like that was the plan, honestly if Hill runs more of a swing pass route to the pylon rather than stopping to catch the ball like a screen pass he would have had a half decent chance. Apple made a great play getting across the field in time though.
They interviewed Reid and he was frustrated that Mahomes hadn't gone to the end zone as intended
 
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While I don't disagree that QB is important, has the trend of them not winning once they are paid top money changed? If not then my point stands and yours ignores the fact that Mahomes and Erin might mean you're competitive but still not winning it all.
I wouldn't call it a trend at all, just the price you have to pay to get into position to win a superbowl. How good are the Packers without Rodgers or the Chiefs without Mahomes is the question that need to be asked. As others have stated, a decent QB is going to cost tens of millions, would you rather have Mahomes at 45 million or Ryan Tannehill for 4 years at $118 million? Mahomes, Rodgers and others are difference makers, players like Tannehill, Carr and the rest are just good enough to get you beat.
 

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It is one thing to know you won't have a player, and another to lose him on the second snap.

Having a defense that can get pressure with 4 makes up for average secondary play.

I would fire and cut a lot of people on the Chiefs.
There was a reporter who covers the Chiefs who said..."I think that the Chiefs might begin a decline next year." Now before you guys get your pants in a wad...THATS HIM TALKING NOT ME!!

A REPORTER ASKED Mahomes..."What is your definition of Success"....GETTING TO THE SUPER BOWL AND WINNING IT!" Quoting Patrick Mahomes
 

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It's the price of winning in the NFL, to win games year after year you have to have a great QB, and when you find one, you have to pay him. The days of a person like Brady playing for under market value year after year is gone. What would the Packers be without Rodgers, or the Bucs without Brady? Just an average to below average team. Look at the Titans, they have a great team but an average QB, and he is holding them back from getting to the super bowl.

Rarely do you see a team like the 85 Bears or some of those Washington teams winning super bowls without a great QB. Today its all about getting a Mahomes, Rodgers or Brady, and once you have them, build around them and let them go win the game. The whole salary structure of the NFL is setup to stop a team from dominating over and over. What you do not want to do is end up like the Cowboys, where you have very good QB play from Dak, but not a difference maker that costs you a fortune.
Talking about quarterbacks...You Left Out Joe Burrow....Who is about to WIN his First SUPER BOWL.
 

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Talking about quarterbacks...You Left Out Joe Burrow....Who is about to WIN his First SUPER BOWL.
Joe Burrow is the best case financially for a team because he's great and on a rookie deal. This circumstance or elite highly paid qbs is how most teams win Superbowl's. It's not applicable in this argument because Mahomes Rookie deal is done with. Chiefs capitalized and got 1 ring and another appearance. Your options are pay Mahomes or draft another. Option 1 is a lot safer since elite quarterbacks don't grow on trees