Official Announcement of TJ as the New Iowa State Mens BBall Coach

[madguy30]

This is a reasonable argument. But even if you finish the list up as...

Prohm
McDermott
Chizik

...then the red team is still beating the stuffing out of the blue one on the quality of hires.

Pollard has had three true "hits" -- Campbell, Fred, and TJ -- and all of those were him zeroing in on one man with which he had a good relationship and just going and making it happen.

Seems Pollard is at his best when going for the kill, not when following open-ended processes.

For the most part isn't this not a bad practice for how hiring goes?

Obviously there's certain standards but for something like this, knowing what the program needs, and how the candidate really fits the mold is pretty important.

Also seems to be the 'back against the wall' kind of cases.

BBall needed an interjection of a mindset, and football needed a foundation.

 

[Sigmapolis]

You're absolutely insane if you rank TJ ahead of Hoiberg at this point in time

Both started with similar smoldering craters for a roster when they arrived.

Year 1 of Hoiberg --

#83 on Torvik
was #70 the year before under McDermott
#88 offense, #86 defense
16-16 overall record
3-13 in the Big 12
Last in the conference
No postseason

Year 1 of Otzelberger --

#33 on Torvik
was #169 the year before under Prohm
#115 offense, #12 defense
20-9 overall record (obviously still some games to go)
7-9 in the Big 12 (ditto)
Likely to finish roughly sixth in the conference
Projected as about a #7 seed right now

Comparing Year 1 to Year 1, TJ has had a much more impressive tenure so far.

We'll see where this is after three or five years, though.

 

[Rogue52]

Ranking the Pollard hires for football and MBB...

Campbell
TJO
Hoiberg
Rhoads
McDermott
Prohm
Chizik

I colored red the ones where Pollard went and "got his man." He was various levels of buds with the ones in red -- TJ more than anybody -- but those all involved Pollard moving quickly.

I colored blue the ones where Pollard followed a multiparty "process."

You might quibble with some of those rankings... e.g., was Campbell a better hire than TJO or Hoiberg... but I don't think there would be many serious arguments the last two were the worst.

Turns out Jamie does better when he knows who he wants and goes and gets him.

Certainly worked for TJO without some "process."

Didn't Pollard plan to hire someone else and at the last minute McDermott called and said he was interested in the job?

Also, Prohm behind McDermott is really tough on Prohm considering he got two Big 12 tournament championships, 3 NCAA tourneys, and a Sweet 16.

 

[madguy30]

Didn't Pollard plan to hire someone else and at the last minute McDermott called and said he was interested in the job?

Also, Prohm behind McDermott is really tough on Prohm considering he got two Big 12 tournament championships, 3 NCAA tourneys, and a Sweet 16.

The weirdness of CSP's last two, even three, seasons is unfortunately legendary in the wrong ways.

 

[IASTATE07]

With transfers being immediately eligible now, I'd probably compare Hoiberg's second year to TJ's first.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Didn't Pollard plan to hire someone else and at the last minute McDermott called and said he was interested in the job?

Also, Prohm behind McDermott is really tough on Prohm considering he got two Big 12 tournament championships, 3 NCAA tourneys, and a Sweet 16.

I understood it as Pollard wanted McDermott and was worried Iowa would scoop him up with the Alford era came to its expected end. So he canned Wayne and went and got himself Greg.

The "process" hires (mostly Prohm and Chizik) are near the bottom of the list and the "gut" hires (mostly Campbell, TJO, and Hoiberg) are near the top. That's the main point outside a particular order. Nobody is going to argue either of the former two were better than the latter three hires.

 

[LLCoolCY]

Both started with similar smoldering craters for a roster when they arrived.

Year 1 of Hoiberg --

#83 on Torvik
was #70 the year before under McDermott
#88 offense, #86 defense
16-16 overall record
3-13 in the Big 12
Last in the conference
No postseason

Year 1 of Otzelberger --

#33 on Torvik
was #169 the year before under Prohm
#115 offense, #12 defense
20-9 overall record (obviously still some games to go)
7-9 in the Big 12 (ditto)
Likely to finish roughly sixth in the conference
Projected as about a #7 seed right now

Comparing Year 1 to Year 1, TJ has had a much more impressive tenure so far.

We'll see where this is after three or five years, though.

It would have been interesting if the Royce, Babb transfer class would have been eligible right way in Fred's first year though.

 

[Sigmapolis]

With transfers being immediately eligible now, I'd probably compare Hoiberg's second year to TJ's first.

I'm not sure I entirely agree with this but just for thought --

Year 1 of Otzelberger --

#33 on Torvik
was #169 the year before under Prohm
#115 offense, #12 defense
20-9 overall record (obviously still some games to go)
7-9 in the Big 12 (ditto)
Likely to finish roughly sixth in the conference
Projected as about a #7 seed right now

Year 2 of Hoiberg --

#26 on Torvik
was #83 the year before under Hoiberg
#24 offense, #58 defense
23-11 overall record
12-6 in the Big 12
Finished fourth in the conference
#8 seed, lost in Ro32

Year 1 of TJ should roughly equal that when done, especially if you adjust for the more difficult Big 12.

 

[CyLyte2]

It is my understanding that something like this happened with Campbell --

-- Pollard fired Rhoads a week early to get a "head start" on the hunt for the next man.
-- Pollard flew to Toledo -- uninvited, without a meeting set -- and insisted on seeing Campbell.
-- Campbell and Pollard met for a number of hours, and then Pollard met with Matt and his wife.
-- The Campbell family deliberated it and... Matt called Pollard back and accepted.

Pollard went and got his man. There wasn't a Plan B. He was making it happen.



Prohm also left Tyrese Hunter behind for the next guy. I suppose you can give McDermott some credit for leaving Melvin Ejim behind, but freshman Hunter has been way better than freshman Ejim and the reason Ejim stuck with Iowa State was because of TJ, and TJ got Hunter to stick with ISU, too.

Greg McDermott is still coaching in a high major conference.....it’s not close. Anyone who would argue that it is, is a fool.

 

[CyLyte2]

McDermott was getting a high major job the year we hired him. Kansas State was trying to hire him when Iowa State came into the picture.

 

[IASTATE07]

McDermott was getting a high major job the year we hired him. Kansas State was trying to hire him when Iowa State came into the picture.

He would have flamed out there too. It's why he went back down to a mid major before getting fired here. Props to McDermott for reinventing himself at Creighton.

 

[VeloClone]

There’s no need for that. We know that TJ is an elite recruiter and will bring in players that will play at a high level. We may have off season’s but it won’t be for a lack of talent and effort. That is all that can be asked. You throw that out there and hope you get the good bounces and the good calls. Everything else is up to the basketball gods.

Everything starts and ends with recruiting in CBB.

You gotta have the horses, man. -- Johnny Orr

 

[Cyforce]

Both started with similar smoldering craters for a roster when they arrived.

Year 1 of Hoiberg --

#83 on Torvik
was #70 the year before under McDermott
#88 offense, #86 defense
16-16 overall record
3-13 in the Big 12
Last in the conference
No postseason

Year 1 of Otzelberger --

#33 on Torvik
was #169 the year before under Prohm
#115 offense, #12 defense
20-9 overall record (obviously still some games to go)
7-9 in the Big 12 (ditto)
Likely to finish roughly sixth in the conference
Projected as about a #7 seed right now

Comparing Year 1 to Year 1, TJ has had a much more impressive tenure so far.

We'll see where this is after three or five years, though.

Major difference here is Hoiberg's transfers had to sit out a year.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Greg McDermott is still coaching in a high major conference.....it’s not close. Anyone who would argue that it is, is a fool.

He left for the MVC at the time.

Prohm has had his name attached to several MVC openings or potential openings.

I'll give Greg credit for adjusting to the new Big East pretty well, but we're not talking about what he did five years after he left Ames. We're talking about what he did while in Ames.

And it wasn't any good.

 

[carvers4math]

I would not have forgiven McDermott for Wesley Johnson even if he won us a national championship

 

[Halincandenza]

It would have been interesting if the Royce, Babb transfer class would have been eligible right way in Fred's first year though.

Yeah cause Garrett was a stud that year. Would have been nice to pair him with some other really good players. Garrett, Christopherson, Babb, White and Vanderbeekan would have been a really good starting lineup and they you would have Anderson, Allen, Ejim and Booker on the bench. They would be really good.

 

[MJ271]

Take a look at the situations each inherited. Steve Prohm isn’t qualified to hold McDermotts jock.

By my count, McDermott had multiple guys that played in the NBA on his roster every single year, including his first. It's not like he never had any talent.
06-07: Mike Taylor and Wesley Johnson
07-08: Johnson, Brackins, and Garrett
08-09: Brackins, Garrett, and Justin Hamilton
09-10: Brackins, Garrett, and Hamilton

Not to mention the fact that if you only consider the 4 years that were Prohm's own doing, he still made an NCAA tournament when McDermott failed to do so. Prohm also never missed a tournament when he had multiple NBA guys on the roster (unless Bolton manages to work his way into the league).

 

[MJ271]

Yeah cause Garrett was a stud that year. Would have been nice to pair him with some other really good players. Garrett, Christopherson, Babb, White and Vanderbeekan would have been a really good starting lineup and they you would have Anderson, Allen, Ejim and Booker on the bench. They would be really good.

Plus, the big thing that Hoiberg's second season was missing was a point guard. Christopherson, Allen, and White all kind of shared the duties, but that limited them at times. If you put that group together with Garrett, the ceiling would have raised a lot.

 

[Cyrealist]

Prohm made the tourney and won a Big 12 tourney with a team consisting of all of his guys. Overall Prohm is nowhere near McD. As a coach for ISU, he's much better.

He got a lot of very good players to come to ISU and then he did everything possible to screw them up. It was actually painful to watch. McDermott was at least mediocre. He's done well at Creighton.

 

[IASTATE07]

He got a lot of very good players to come to ISU and then he did everything possible to screw them up. It was actually painful to watch.

Prohm or McDermott?