*** Official IOWA STATE Vs Miami Game(Day) Thread ***

Bestaluckcy

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To all the Cyclone fans that like to hedge bet against us, I will just say this: Last year you should have made a bundle. This year I hope you lose it all. ;)
 
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Here is another reason why I don't put too much stock in so called sports analysts. The cbs article on the game tonight has this tidbit: some nameless "observers" didn't believe iowa state deserved an at large bid in the first place. Okay, then why didn't CBS put iowa state as a bubble team three weeks ago.. If they did, I didn't see it. It is easy to claim anything after the fact.
 

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You're like me!! I do this for big ISU games from time-to-time. Haha. I think it helps me feel better either way. If ISU wins, I lose money and am ecstatic and will be feeling great with the most unexpected of Elite Eight trips ever. If ISU loses, it's not fun, but at least I won some money.
You a hedge fund manager?
 

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Another key. They are not deep. They have 5 guys who play 70% of mins or more. (probably a reason why they struggle on D) We can wear em down and take advantage.
I'll take it if it happens, but I wouldn't count on the wear em down factor. They are 19-24 year olds who have had 4-5 days to rest their legs. They aren't coming off something like 3 games in 5 days and flying in the night before. With all of the stoppages, you just need to bear down for 4 minute spurts.
 
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Land-Phil approves.

I am now hearing him with the doll, when Fink is going thru the fluid dynamics on Das Boot, "Frustrating!" Hope that's how Miami feels about our D tonight!
Ze bubbles!
 

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Rundown on who is who for Miami. As noted above, the starting 5 are all old (24, 23, 23, 22 and 20 I think) and all play a ton of minutes. They have three young guys that come off the bench for <10 minutes per game.

PG: Charlie Moore (#3): Small shooter and distributer has been around forever. He's a 6th year senior on his 4th stop (Cal->KU->DePaul->Miami) and played a couple minutes at Kansas against the '17-'18 ISU team. 13 ppg, 4.5 apg, 2 spg and 2 tos. His 3-pt shooting numbers are about identical to Grill's, 58 makes on 38%. His 72 steals are 10 more than Hunter and #9 in the country. His scoring is mainly 3s and fastbreak layups. Hunter should have a physical advantage, but Moore is very very quick. Reminds me of Nijel Pack a little bit, although not as physical and quicker hands

SG: Isaiah Wong (#2): Very good athlete that scores at all three levels, although not as prolific from 3 as the other guards (45 makes on 30% shooting). He's the highlight reel guy with impressive finishes around the rim. He gets to the FT line pretty well, shooting almost identical numbers to Brockington. He's the weakest defender ("only" 32 steals). Scores 15.5 per game. He goes 6'3" 180# - I'm guessing Gabe has this matchup. Reminds me of Johnny Davis at Wisconsin a bit.

SF: Kameron McGusty (#23): Veteran scorer at all three levels. Likes the mid-range game and shoots the 3 well (57 makes at 35%). Gets to the line more often than Brockington and makes ~80%. He's another 6th-year senior who started at OU for his first two seasons. At 6'5" 190# he matches up physically very well with Brockington. Has close to the same number of steals as Hunter on the season (62). Averages 17.5ppg, 5rbg and 2.5 assists. Reminds me of a poor-mans Agbaji.

PF: Jordon Miller (#11): The fourth guard who does the dirty work. He's their leading rebounder at 6'6" (sound familiar?) averaging 10 ppg and 6 rpg. Another high steals player with 62 on the season. Good athlete can definitely finish at the rim. Only has 19 3s (29%) on the season. Is really their only offensive rebounding threat, so he'll get some second chance points. They'll throw lobs to him if the defense overplays the ball. Probably has a quickness advantage against Kunc, but matches up well when we go small. Reminds me of any generic college 6'6" small 4 (Emmanuel Miller at TCU has almost identical size and stats)

C: Sam Waardenberg (#21): Another 6th year senior, he's played 4 years at Miami with 2 redshirt years. A prototypical stretch 5 big (6'10"), his numbers are strikingly similar to Kunc - very similar 3 pt rate and percentage, FTs and rebounding. He has slightly more blocks and assists and Kunc has more steals. He's energetic and mobile for a big guy - but not as frenetic as Kunc.

The main guy off the bench is Anthony Walker, a 6'9" sophomore from Brewster Academy (Niang reference). He's about what you'd expect from a 12mpg bench piece - rebounds and scores at the rim, fouls a lot, doesn't do much else outstanding.

Well, you can see how I spend the interminable time of a big game day afternoon...
 

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Rundown on who is who for Miami. As noted above, the starting 5 are all old (24, 23, 23, 22 and 20 I think) and all play a ton of minutes. They have three young guys that come off the bench for <10 minutes per game.

PG: Charlie Moore (#3): Small shooter and distributer has been around forever. He's a 6th year senior on his 4th stop (Cal->KU->DePaul->Miami) and played a couple minutes at Kansas against the '17-'18 ISU team. 13 ppg, 4.5 apg, 2 spg and 2 tos. His 3-pt shooting numbers are about identical to Grill's, 58 makes on 38%. His 72 steals are 10 more than Hunter and #9 in the country. His scoring is mainly 3s and fastbreak layups. Hunter should have a physical advantage, but Moore is very very quick. Reminds me of Nijel Pack a little bit, although not as physical and quicker hands

SG: Isaiah Wong (#2): Very good athlete that scores at all three levels, although not as prolific from 3 as the other guards (45 makes on 30% shooting). He's the highlight reel guy with impressive finishes around the rim. He gets to the FT line pretty well, shooting almost identical numbers to Brockington. He's the weakest defender ("only" 32 steals). Scores 15.5 per game. He goes 6'3" 180# - I'm guessing Gabe has this matchup. Reminds me of Johnny Davis at Wisconsin a bit.

SF: Kameron McGusty (#23): Veteran scorer at all three levels. Likes the mid-range game and shoots the 3 well (57 makes at 35%). Gets to the line more often than Brockington and makes ~80%. He's another 6th-year senior who started at OU for his first two seasons. At 6'5" 190# he matches up physically very well with Brockington. Has close to the same number of steals as Hunter on the season (62). Averages 17.5ppg, 5rbg and 2.5 assists. Reminds me of a poor-mans Agbaji.

PF: Jordon Miller (#11): The fourth guard who does the dirty work. He's their leading rebounder at 6'6" (sound familiar?) averaging 10 ppg and 6 rpg. Another high steals player with 62 on the season. Good athlete can definitely finish at the rim. Only has 19 3s (29%) on the season. Is really their only offensive rebounding threat, so he'll get some second chance points. They'll throw lobs to him if the defense overplays the ball. Probably has a quickness advantage against Kunc, but matches up well when we go small. Reminds me of any generic college 6'6" small 4 (Emmanuel Miller at TCU has almost identical size and stats)

C: Sam Waardenberg (#21): Another 6th year senior, he's played 4 years at Miami with 2 redshirt years. A prototypical stretch 5 big (6'10"), his numbers are strikingly similar to Kunc - very similar 3 pt rate and percentage, FTs and rebounding. He has slightly more blocks and assists and Kunc has more steals. He's energetic and mobile for a big guy - but not as frenetic as Kunc.

The main guy off the bench is Anthony Walker, a 6'9" sophomore from Brewster Academy (Niang reference). He's about what you'd expect from a 12mpg bench piece - rebounds and scores at the rim, fouls a lot, doesn't do much else outstanding.

Well, you can see how I spend the interminable time of a big game day afternoon...

With their starting PF being who he is, got to wonder of Tristian gets the nod over Jaz? Just to have a little more quickness out there on D?

Jaz will still play >20 mins
 

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Thanks Rulzzz!!! GO STATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nervous but excited for tonight. WOW somewhere I never thought we would be at the beginning of the season. A 10 page game thread before the game starts I think that might be a 1st.
 
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Yeah I thought we’d win that game but if we didn’t no big deal we still crushed expectations. Now I see the open path and I’m a freaking greedy person.

It's hard not to drink the Kool-Aid at this altitude. Sure is fun though.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if they put Hunter on Wong. McGusty is their leading scorer so I would guess he's getting Gabe.
I think Gabe primarily on McGusty seems to make the most sense. What they do with IB and Hunter vs. Moore and Wong is going to be interesting.
 
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I ripped a hole in the back of mine, took a basement corner too quick, running back from the bathroom during the LSU game. It's still around and unwashed.
This happened to me during our tournament game against Nevada a few years ago. It got caught on the door handle when I went for another beer and the toilet at a commercial break.
 
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PREDICITION:

When Miami has the ball: Gonna be strength on strength. Miami has a few guards that can fill it up and get out in transition. Yet ISU has some of the best defensive guards in the country (Hunter, GK, IZB). Will be a fun matchup to watch. They don't have any threatening bigs so would expect the majority of their scoring will come from their perimeter players.

When Iowa State has the ball: Miami's defense is ranked 121st in the nation... (that's 54 spots behind KState, who was rated as the worst defensive team in the B12 for some context). Even with Iowa States offensive struggles this year I think they will be able to score plenty tonight. I look for IZB to go for 20+ and get the Cyclone's to 70+, a winning number.

Overall: This will be a close game, as expected. Miami will make runs and most likely hit some tough shots. Iowa State will force them to turn it over and get them out of rhythm at times as well. One of the keys to this game will be rebounding and the Cyclones have a clear edge here. Miami is one of the WORST offensive rebounding teams on the country (ranked 318th) and they aren't much better on the defensive glass either (264th). Clones should control the boards. Another key will be fouls/FT's if the refs call it close the Iowa State may get into deep foul trouble and allow Miami to shoot a ton of FT's which isn't a great recipe.

Final: Cyclone's will have the home court advantage and really have an opportunity to come out and be the aggressor. If they do so, and I think they will, behind their tenacious defense and IZB's leadership, they will be headed to the Elite 8.

Score: ISU 74 - Miami 67
ISU scored 74 and 63 in regulation time against KSU this season, so 67 or more tonight could be very attainable. Good stuff. Should get some better looks tonight. As always, shots got to fall. Here's hoping they do! Go Cyclones!
 
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