NCAA messed it up!

[buf87]

In the industry I work in, changing jobs frequently is pretty normal. When we hire someone, we hope to be able to keep them for 2 years. You bring them in for a project implementation or two, and afterwards, they leave for another job. It doesn't always work out like that, but it does frequently enough that you don't really bat an eye at it.
Changing jobs might not be good for some people, but is that reason enough to make a rule stopping people from doing it?

I guess that might be right in certain industries. My experience is they are not very committed or lazy & don’t really care or always blaming someone else and not themselves

 

[Mr Janny]

I guess that might be right in certain industries. My experience is they are not very committed or lazy & don’t really care or always blaming someone else and not themselves

And that definitely might be the case, in some circumstances, while in others it definitely might not be. If we took that attitude, at my company, we'd miss out on a ton of very qualified and good employees.

That's my overall point, regarding a blanket rule limiting the number of transfers a player can have. There are different circumstances and situations for every student.

 

[WhoISthis]

And that definitely might be the case, in some circumstances, while in others it definitely might not be. If we took that attitude, at my company, we'd miss out on a ton of very qualified and good employees.

That's my overall point, regarding a blanket rule limiting the number of transfers a player can have. There are different circumstances and situations for every student.

Blanket rules are needed pragmatically.

So is a process for adjudicating the few exemptions to the rule.

 

[Mr Janny]

Blanket rules are needed pragmatically.

So is a process for adjudicating the few exemptions to the rule.

Why are additional rules needed for transfers?

 

[Hayes30]

Did you say that when we made the sweet 16?

We won't get there again for awhile at this rate.

 

[Cyclones1969]

I guess that might be right in certain industries. My experience is they are not very committed or lazy & don’t really care or always blaming someone else and not themselves

What industry are you in?

 

[Raiders70]

I love posts like this…a justification to significantly underpay people based on their value. It’s clearly not equitable because people are willing to give these athletes way more $$$ than they were getting.

Your employer should pay you 1/10 of your salary and maybe you’ll understand better.

If you don't see the obvious sarcasm in that post you are beyond help. Hint the usage of the word exploit and the lol on the end.

 

[CyJack13]

Love all the new transfer rules. Free agency drives a ton of interest in the NBA and NFL and this has allowed college to have their version of it too. Makes the off-season a whole lot more exciting.

 

[CycloneErik]

Why are we holding people on Athletic scholarships to a different standard than music or academic or art scholarships?

Because they entertain us. There may be other, less aware reasons as well.

 

[isutrevman]

Its literally not the portal that's the problem here. Its the NCAA allowing a free for all on NIL that caused all this

You are wrong because the NCAA did not allow NIL, the Supreme Court did. The NCAA's hands are tied on it. If the NCAA still required transfers to sit out a year, schools poaching with NIL deals would likely be a far smaller problem than it's going to be. I think there's a reason the NCAA made the new transfer rule at the exact same time NIL was legalized. The big schools pushed them to do it so they could start buying players.

 

[isutrevman]

Love all the new transfer rules. Free agency drives a ton of interest in the NBA and NFL and this has allowed college to have their version of it too. Makes the off-season a whole lot more exciting.

This would be like if all NBA and NFL contracts were 1 year, and every single player was a free agent every off season.

 

[Mr Janny]

You are wrong because the NCAA did not allow NIL, the Supreme Court did. The NCAA's hands are tied on it. If the NCAA still required transfers to sit out a year, schools poaching with NIL deals would likely be a far smaller problem than it's going to be. I think there's a reason the NCAA made the new transfer rule at the exact same time NIL was legalized. The big schools pushed them to do it so they could start buying players.

The supreme Court did not render any decision regarding NIL. You're mistaking that for another case that was decided around the same time, but it had to do with the schools being able to provide additional benefits to students on scholarship. It had nothing to do with NIL.

The current NIL situation came about because several states passed laws preventing students from being punished for profiting off of their name image and likeness. Several of these laws were about to go into effect, and the NCAA said to the member schools that they could do what they wanted regarding NIL, and recommended they follow state laws. The state of Iowa, for example, has no NIL law on the books at all, so technically Iowa State could still limit NIL for athletes of they wanted to. Obviously, they're not going to do that, but there's nothing legally preventing them from doing it.

 

[isutrevman]

The supreme Court did not render any decision regarding NIL. You're mistaking that for another case that was decided around the same time, but it had to do with the schools being able to provide additional benefits to students on scholarship. It had nothing to do with NIL.

The current NIL situation came about because several states passed laws preventing students from being punished for profiting off of their name image and likeness. Several of these laws were about to go into effect, and the NCAA said to the member schools that they could do what they wanted regarding NIL, and recommended they follow state laws. The state of Iowa, for example, has no NIL law on the books at all, so technically Iowa State could still limit NIL for athletes of they wanted to. Obviously, they're not going to do that, but there's nothing legally preventing them from doing it.

Didn't the NCAA say that because they can't legally overrule state law?

I should have said The Supreme Court didn't rule that the NCAA had to allow NIL, they ruled that it was up to the State's to determine how it should go.

 

[Mr Janny]

Didn't the NCAA say that because they can't legally overrule state law?

I should have said The Supreme Court didn't rule that the NCAA had to allow NIL, they ruled that it was up to the State's to determine how it should go.

The Supreme Court didn't say anything about NIL. They didn't say it was up to the states. They didn't say anything at all about it.

 

[Frak]

Nick Saban is right about NIL. Anyone who thought this through could see that it was going to spiral out of control quickly. It took less than a year to go from promoting products and services to flat out buying recruits and transfers. That was not the intention of the rule, but with the crazy rich boosters out there, you'd have to be blind to not predict this. There absolutely needs to be some regulation here. I don't have a problem with players getting some money, but if we're going to go down this road, then just go ahead and pay them a salary.

 

[CascadeClone]

This would be like if all NBA and NFL contracts were 1 year, and every single player was a free agent every off season.

And no salary cap!

 

[PSYclone22]

The system of allowing college students to transfer and play at the university of their choice if they have a better opportunity to succeed (however they choose to define success) is far better than locking them into situations for several years or not letting them play for a year post-transfer.

 

[IFA Cyclone]

I’m all fine with paying the players something. I totally understand why these kids want to get paid and should get something but in my opinion if they are going to get paid these amounts then do away with the full ride scholarships for athletes. They get free school, food, housing and everything else and all this NIL money? Why not give those free rides to students based on academic success verses athletic success that way athletes can still qualify.

 

[CYdTracked]

It's going to be hard for programs like ISU to be able to build and sustain a winning program without some changes to how the transfer portal and NIL works. Without the Covid year rule we basically are returning just 2 guys from last season that both transferred in with Jones and Grill, Kunc gets another year and maybe Gabe stays but we can't expect that we'll be able to just reload every offseason with portal transfers and keep making the tournament. Eventually we are going to miss on some guys. Going to a Sweet 16 probably helped us in recruiting but what if we only won 10-15 games instead? It's frustrating that the bluebloods will just be able to pluck away young guys like Hunter from schools if there aren't some changes made. We need to be able to have guys like him stay for 3-4 years otherwise we're going to be dealing with this kind of roster turnover after every season.

At the point I would not be against a rule that you have to sit out a year if there was not a coaching change or some kind of extreme circumstance of why you will transfer and be immediately eligible to play or you have graduated and are going to grad school for your final year of eligibility. It's already tough enough to get kids like Hunter to commit to a place like ISU and now some other school is going to come in with some big NIL money and reap the benefits of him having a year under his belt now. At least under Hoiberg we had a core group of players in Niang, Morris, Naz, and Thomas that we used transfers to build around. Now it could look a lot like the Prohm years where he'd have guys be 1 or 2 and done types and have massive roster turnover yearly where if you missed on guys then you put yourself in a big hole to try and recruit your way out of. Not every season we are going to get lucky enough to land the types of guys we did this past year where the parts all fit perfectly and was able to develop chemistry right away/

 

[Mr Janny]

I’m all fine with paying the players something. I totally understand why these kids want to get paid and should get something but in my opinion if they are going to get paid these amounts then do away with the full ride scholarships for athletes. They get free school, food, housing and everything else and all this NIL money? Why not give those free rides to students based on academic success verses athletic success that way athletes can still qualify.

Schools are definitely free to try that. Seems like a good way to tank your athletic department in a hurry. Because as long as other schools are comfortable giving out full rides, your school "taking a stand" is more like pointing a shotgun at your own foot.