The “We Will” Collective

[AllInForISU]

I may need to change my username. I am absolutely not All in with giving money to this. Maybe the worst return on investment I have ever seen. It’s literally throwing money away for the sake of wins. What a freaking joke. Do you even get anything in return other than maybe a good feeling if we win some games?

 

[CrossCyed]

Fans can ***** all they want, but ISU has and will continue to lose recruits and players due to this. Iowa State fans already donate at lower levels than the rest of the conference and its hard to say the response right now is real inspiring. It sucks but it's the price of playing ball.

 

[Clonedogg]

Ya, all this is really discouraging, my fandom is dwindling. Its sad because its been a big part of my identity for as long as I can remember, living in eastern Iowa but being the guy that likes the other team. I will still watch and root for now, but for the first time in my life I can conceive of a time in the future of not being interested.

 

[AllInForISU]

Fans can ***** all they want, but ISU has and will continue to lose recruits and players due to this. Iowa State fans already donate at lower levels than the rest of the conference and its hard to say the response right now is real inspiring. It sucks but it's the price of playing ball.

I prefer to not pay students for playing a game when the college and NCAA should be doing that. This somehow shifted from the athletes getting a piece of the NCAA pie to having fans bankroll it and it’s ********. If we can’t stay competitive due to me not donating what little expendable income I have, so be it.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

You are severely mistaken. You have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s no secret if you had any connections.

I do have plenty of connections. Show me one three star recruit that is getting that kind of money that isn’t part of a blanket deal where the whole team is getting 50k. I’ll wait.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I think there will be a players union to help normalize the pay scale.

 

[Clonedogg]

I prefer to not pay students for playing a game when the college and NCAA should be doing that. This somehow shifted from the athletes getting a piece of the NCAA pie to having fans bankroll it and it’s ********. If we can’t stay competitive due to me not donating what little expendable income I have, so be it.

Right, do fans pay the pro players, NBA, NFL...? In a way, by buying tickets, gear, watching ads, etc., but not directly like we are talking about here.

 

[CrossCyed]

I prefer to not pay students for playing a game when the college and NCAA should be doing that. This somehow shifted from the athletes getting a piece of the NCAA pie to having fans bankroll it and it’s ********. If we can’t stay competitive due to me not donating what little expendable income I have, so be it.

It's both bankrolling it.

ISU Announces Student-Athlete Academic Incentive Plan - Iowa State University Athletics

AMES, Iowa — Following the recent U.S. Supreme Court Alston vs. NCAA decision and approval from the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors, the Iowa State Athl...

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The lifeblood of revenue sports is recruiting; this will be another arrow in the quiver.

 

[AllInForISU]

It's both bankrolling it.

ISU Announces Student-Athlete Academic Incentive Plan - Iowa State University Athletics

AMES, Iowa — Following the recent U.S. Supreme Court Alston vs. NCAA decision and approval from the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors, the Iowa State Athl...

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The lifeblood of revenue sports is recruiting; this will be another arrow in the quiver.

This is a good start, but the pay for play collectives can eat ****.

 

[NWICY]

Heard McCarney and Niang are involved.

That's two people who really do love ISU.

 

[isufbcurt]

You are severely mistaken. You have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s no secret if you had any connections.

I don't doubt you, it just seems crazy for 3 star guys like Jacob Imming, Will McLaughlin and Gabe Burkle all garnering $50-200K.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I don't doubt you, it just seems crazy for 3 star guys like Jacob Imming, Will McLaughlin and Gabe Burkle all garnering $50-200K.

Because unless there is a full team deal where every player is getting 50K or more they won’t be.

 

[NWICY]

Here's an abbreviated version (snippets) of something I posted a few days ago after working with somebody involved in the process. Big disclaimer that these were his early projections with not a lot of precedent to go off of and could end up wildly different.
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• Small Tier Donors = 1,000 donors at average of $200 per year
• Mid Tier Donors = 25 donors at average of $5,000 per year
• High Tier Donors = 5-8 donors at average of $25,000 per year
• Max Donors = 2 donors at $100,000 per year

Total collective amount = 500K to 600K per year
Direct NIL donations = 200K to 500K per year
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Based on people he’s talked to at Michigan State, Minnesota, Illinois, Kansas State, Kansas, Northwestern, and Iowa, our projected collective amount (plus high dollar one offs) would be less than half of just the minimum collective projections of any of those competitors (many haven't found the need yet for a collective based on high-roller donors being more than enough). Then, each of those schools has high-roller donors that would cumulatively donate directly at roughly $1.5 to $5 million annually. (Iowa being on the low end of that group)
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For context, he’s seeing NIL figures ranging from 50-200K for a mid 3-star recruit to 750K for a mid 4-star recruit, and over 1-1.5mil for a 5-star recruit in the transfer portal. Football is heating up to the point that anybody in the Top 150-350 is demanding 75K to 125K or more, with Top 100 to 150 now reaching 500K right out of HS.
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Anybody getting paid $75,000 and up doesn't need a scholly. I think I'm going to have a hard time adjusting to the new pay for play realities of college sports. (I know there has always been some of it)

 

[NWICY]

"That wedding ring could feed a lot of hungry children if we sold it"

#love isn't real but by golly jewelry is.

 

[AllInForISU]

Here's an abbreviated version (snippets) of something I posted a few days ago after working with somebody involved in the process. Big disclaimer that these were his early projections with not a lot of precedent to go off of and could end up wildly different.
...

• Small Tier Donors = 1,000 donors at average of $200 per year
• Mid Tier Donors = 25 donors at average of $5,000 per year
• High Tier Donors = 5-8 donors at average of $25,000 per year
• Max Donors = 2 donors at $100,000 per year

Total collective amount = 500K to 600K per year
Direct NIL donations = 200K to 500K per year
...
Based on people he’s talked to at Michigan State, Minnesota, Illinois, Kansas State, Kansas, Northwestern, and Iowa, our projected collective amount (plus high dollar one offs) would be less than half of just the minimum collective projections of any of those competitors (many haven't found the need yet for a collective based on high-roller donors being more than enough). Then, each of those schools has high-roller donors that would cumulatively donate directly at roughly $1.5 to $5 million annually. (Iowa being on the low end of that group)
...
For context, he’s seeing NIL figures ranging from 50-200K for a mid 3-star recruit to 750K for a mid 4-star recruit, and over 1-1.5mil for a 5-star recruit in the transfer portal. Football is heating up to the point that anybody in the Top 150-350 is demanding 75K to 125K or more, with Top 100 to 150 now reaching 500K right out of HS.
...

So with these direct payments differing from the collective amount in this scenario, where does that excess money go? And what is this group doing to protect themselves from pouring money into a target only for him/her to transfer after that year is over?

 

[NWICY]

Will NIL give high school principals more or less leverage with student athletes? They will obviously feel more pressure to keep kids eligible. Also, when will NIL hit high schools?

LOL less, once some kid is getting paid $50,000 to play FB or BB at XYZ Academy, he isn't worried about a principal, if the school doesn't kiss his butt he'll just transfer to the next one.

 

[madguy30]

Why is everyone so whiny about this? If you don’t want to give then don’t

I think it will turn into a 'why didn't you donate!?' to people that don't when a player leaves, like it would have mattered when it's chump change for other schools/boosters to poach someone.

Before someone says 'but Niang!!'' let's think a little harder about what NFL/NBA superstar alums from other schools will pledge.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

I prefer to not pay students for playing a game when the college and NCAA should be doing that. This somehow shifted from the athletes getting a piece of the NCAA pie to having fans bankroll it and it’s ********. If we can’t stay competitive due to me not donating what little expendable income I have, so be it.

Exactly. I was under the impression that because the universities were making tens of millions on the backs of players then maybe that would be where the players cut came from.

 

[stateofmind]

Exactly. I was under the impression that because the universities were making tens of millions on the backs of players then maybe that would be where the players cut came from.

What Universities are actually profiting from athletics? Are there really ADs that have a positive bank account? It seems to me all of the money is put back into the facilities for the athletes, scholarships and facilities for the programs that don't make money. I will continue to put money into the University to continue to build up what will actually improve our team's ability to train, I won't pay a player to play. Every athlete should be able to teach others and get paid for that. They should get royalties on jersey's sold with their number. They should get money from any entity that wants to sell products on their name, image, and likeness. They should not get money from me to play for Iowa State.

 

[Bestaluckcy]

I don't doubt you, it just seems crazy for 3 star guys like Jacob Imming, Will McLaughlin and Gabe Burkle all garnering $50-200K.

@isufbcurt, just curious. What would you say is the average amount of time you as an athlete spent on your sport? Say on a weekly or monthly basis. Could break it out between in season and out of season too, if you wish. I know there are NCAA rules regarding this, but would like to hear an insider’s thoughts. Sorry if you have already posted this somewhere.