***2022 PGA Tour Thread***
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Yeah. He needs to take the emotion out of his arguments. It pretty simple, LIV is a fledgling golf league whose goal is to compete directly with the PGA. Pretty standard workplace practice that contractors don't simultaneously work for competing businesses.
I would be curious among international players if the moral issue of the Saudi Ruler funding the LIV League is such a big deal.
I guess I don't know what people expected him to say. I don't know how you compete with something that has zero concern about operating at or near a profit. At the end of the day it's going to come down to convincing guys that this tour is the place to be to maintain a positive public image, play against the best competition and still make a ****ton of money, albeit a ****ton less than the LIV guys are making. There are certainly ways to improve the PGA Tour they should be considering, but there is nothing they can do to make it competitive from a money perspective, and if we are being honest the money is the only reason these people are leaving.
It'll be very interested to see the fan response at Brookline. I'm sure DJ hasn't had to endure much heckling in his career, and it will be interesting to see if fans give it to him.
Drop the preachy "we're better because we're not about the money" thing, of course the PGA Tour and it's players are about the money, what a silly notion. The PGA Tour has the best golfers, the most historic tournaments at some of the most iconic golf courses in the world, that's all the ammo they should need.
Just say these players chose to go play on another tour, we're happy with the players we have playing in our tournaments. No need to go all angry ex-girlfriend on them. If the product is as good as he says it is then there shouldn't be anything more to be said.
I agree with what you've said. I would tend to agree with the "Well...bye..." approach being the best. I also don't have any issue with banning them either under the idea that there are many willing and able full time PGA members that should have their spot.
I guess I just noticed alot of backlash on Twitter suggesting there's no plan in place, or that he should have been more proactive. But I just don't know what anyone expected him to do. And I think part of the reason he's gone all "preachy" is to highlight the fact they just can't compete with the money, and if money is your only concern then you are going to go.
About all the PGA can do is work with their sponsors, etc to make the tour as lucrative for players as possible, while having an open dialogue with players about other ways that they could improve. Make those improvements, boost the pay as they can, and then ride with whoever wants to stay.
I’m not so sure a “rivalry” is bad for the PGA either.
I'd be lying if I said the whole thing doesn't have me more excited for this week. The NBA and NFL have figured out a way to utilize the drama and personalities that come with their sport. I'd imagine it can't hurt the PGA to do the same.
They loved to be about the money when they were robbing players from the Euro Tour and Asian Tour and buying up all the feeder tours. Now that someone else holds the money, it's a bad deal.
Monahan just has no charisma. They really should have someone else in front of the cameras for this because he really does come off as a jilted ex lover rather than a leader of a multi billion dollar tour. Go out there and talk about the competition. The line about exhibitions vs. competition is great and that should be their tool against LIV because anything else just isn't going to be persuasive to these guys if they're looking for a payday and reduced workload.
I don't really think it's good for them because the only time the rivalry will ever find it's way to the course is the majors which they have nothing to do with. So, maybe initially it drums some stuff up but that won't be long lived.
I get what you are saying, but I have no problem with Monahan essentially playing up the fact that the guys who have left just so happen to have been about the most antagonistic players on Tour. To me, it's no coincidence the ones who have, for the most part, been disliked by fans for years. Go full blown good vs. evil for all I care.
This is why I think their reception this week will be important. If they can go play LIV and come back for the Majors and be accepted, I think you see more go. But I do think if guys who are used to being loved and doted on see the LIV guys get boo'd and heckled they may think twice about just how much that money means to them. The DJ's and Reeds of the worlds probably don't care how they are received. But for the JTs, Rory, Speith, etc., I think their reputation matters to them.
Until players like JT, Rory and Speith start defecting, I am not concerned about the stupid LIV tour. Not one single that has moved over there has me shook.
Yesterday shows the Tour will always be king. You had 3 of the best players in the world duking it out for 18 holes. It was great TV. The LIV your has recruited nothing but has beens.
Yesterday shows the Tour will always be king. You had 3 of the best players in the world duking it out for 18 holes. It was great TV. The LIV your has recruited nothing but has beens.
I feel like their narrative is wrong, they need to talk up all the things the PGA supports, how it grows the game, how many players it supports, youth and so on. Whining about the Saudi money is just making you sound weak in my opinion.
They should have said we wish the gentleman well that went to LIV, it was communicated to them previous to them joining that they wouldn't be allowed to compete in both tournaments, and then go into why you feel the PGA is better for golf than a tour that is literally only there to pay players and do nothing for the sport.
The Saudi blood money vs the PGA's well established charitable connections should be a winning issue for them, and for sponsors.
Nobody was watching yesterday because of the PGA's charitable contributions though.
What happens when the guys ranked 10 to 50 in the OWGR go to LIV? Having the worlds top 10 on your tour is great, but if they’re going against scrubs like John Houston, I’m not sure that sustainable. And those mid tier guys are going g to be extremely difficult to keep with the money LIV is offering.
Again, this thing is just getting started
