Not only is this unlikely, but i'd guess that those 2 would face some pretty steep financial penalties for backing out at this point.
Who is best for the Big 12?
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Not only is this unlikely, but i'd guess that those 2 would face some pretty steep financial penalties for backing out at this point.
I’m pretty sure they aren’t members until 2025 and therefore wouldn’t face penalties until then.
Personally I would be happy if they would leave, but it’s undeniable the league is more valuable with them in it. And I don’t think it’s likely…but I’m not sure how likely anything is at this point. Is there a better than 25% chance we don’t even have conferences in 2025?
But let’s say we do, and let’s say Amazon or Apple comes along and says ESPN is doing this deal for the SEC, Fox is doing this for the Big 10. We want in. We will pay $X per team for a Big 12 deal that doesn’t include OuT…but we will do $Y if they are included. If that figure is higher than they would receive by leaving, don’t you think they would listen? And there’s no doubt either company could certainly present such an offer.
Really…you think that is less reasonable than some of these map options (one including VT and Duke joining the Big 12)?
I probably put Utah at #2 and flip AZ/ASU.
But that's based on football trends from Utah last season and AZ basketball.
As things shift more to who actually watches games and less about passive TV market size, Utah absolutely does. It had cemented itself as the #3 most watched PAC team behind SC and Oregon, and it was very much on the rise. It destroyed the Arizona schools, CU and CA leftovers.
Agree - I think the only reason Colorado is being mentioned is they were once in the Big 8. I guess you get the Denver market, but are they much more desirable than Memphis even?
This just make too much sense. If the Big 10 and SEC are done at 16 each. We would then match and make a serious run for the #3 conference over the ACC.
If the Big 10 adds the Cali schools. It'd be REALLY easy to add Oregon, Wash, Oregon St, and Wash St.
Although, I'd prefer just Oregon, Wash, Louisville, and Miami.
If the Big 10 adds the Cali schools. It'd be REALLY easy to add Oregon, Wash, Oregon St, and Wash St.
Although, I'd prefer just Oregon, Wash, Louisville, and Miami.
I think it’s a little presumptious to automatically assume that the B12 will just start poaching PAC schools. Who is to say other conferences won’t try to poach B12 schools?
We need to hope the 12 schools that are scheduled to move forward as the new B12 are all locked in tight and committed to being in the B12. We also need to hope that our new conference leadership intends to be aggressive and tries to pick off some of these schools left from the PAC, or even add all of the remaining PCAC schools with the B12.
Otherwise we’re just waiting for more dominoes to fall and hoping we get a seat at the table somewhere.
We need to hope the 12 schools that are scheduled to move forward as the new B12 are all locked in tight and committed to being in the B12. We also need to hope that our new conference leadership intends to be aggressive and tries to pick off some of these schools left from the PAC, or even add all of the remaining PCAC schools with the B12.
Otherwise we’re just waiting for more dominoes to fall and hoping we get a seat at the table somewhere.
I don't like hypocrisy, but even I fall into the category here. I agree with you UNLESS ISU gets a seat at the B1G table.
I think we all better realize that the P12 is probably going to go on the offensive. They might very well be discussing which B12 teams they can poach. There will be a west coast league, unless the B10 takes several more from the P12 - there are just too many people who live there. I think the B12 stability is a risk again.
Unfortunately, this s**t will never be over until the top teams pull out of the NCAA and complete their super leagues. There is at least another 10-15 years of this nonsense to go.
(I did this in 5 minutes, please be nice).
3 set games every year in your POD
Years 1/2 = You play 6 other teams
Years 3/4 = You play 6 remaining teams
POD 1 (old pac 12) = ARIZONA, ARIZONA STATE, BYU, UTAH
POD 2 (old big 8) = KANSAS STATE, KANSAS, IOWA STATE, OKLAHOMA STATE
POD 3 (old SWC + Colo) = TCU, BAYLOR, TEXAS TECH, COLORADO
POD 4 (old Big East) = WEST VIRGINIA. CINCINNATI, UCF, HOUSTON
3 set games every year in your POD
Years 1/2 = You play 6 other teams
Years 3/4 = You play 6 remaining teams
POD 1 (old pac 12) = ARIZONA, ARIZONA STATE, BYU, UTAH
POD 2 (old big 8) = KANSAS STATE, KANSAS, IOWA STATE, OKLAHOMA STATE
POD 3 (old SWC + Colo) = TCU, BAYLOR, TEXAS TECH, COLORADO
POD 4 (old Big East) = WEST VIRGINIA. CINCINNATI, UCF, HOUSTON
I don't think they add kanas and colorado... I think if they add 4 it's Cal/Stan, Ore/Wash.
But, I think their ideal scenario is to add some acc schools.
So, I don't know what it will take to break the acc apart. But say a simple majority (8 of 14, doubt this would work) could end the GOR deal some how... even if there were huge fees, if the gap is $70M per year, you could pay $40M of that to the old acc schools left behind and still come out +$30M / yr.
If someone figures out how to break apart the acc with life rafts for 8-11 or so schools....
B10: Wash, Oregon, Stan, Cal, UNC, UVA, ND, Duke = 24
SEC: FSU, Clem, GT, VT, NCSU, Miami, OSU, Pitt = 24
You can add some B12 or other acc schools for pitt, duke if you want. But the key is how many votes does it take to end the ACC? If b10, sec want to free up the brands from that league, they could provide options for enough of them and then end that conference.
4x6 groups playing in regional pods... I think this is what you target if your are the top two leagues.
I was thinking almost exactly the same setup. But I put Colorado with ISU/KSU/kan and OSU with the tau/bay/ttu. Either way you get 4 former B8 schools in the same pod. With Colorado you have 4 former B12 north schools...
This is why being a solid #3 conference is the best place for ISU. Something will give in the future with the top 20 teams or so. If you have a conference that isnt depending on 1-2 teams carrying it basically, or have more than 1-2 that could leave for the top 20, you can survive Armageddon. The also rans in the big ten and SEC will be left behind then.
Edited...
POD 1 (old pac 12) = ARIZONA, ARIZONA STATE, BYU, UTAH
POD 2 (old big 8) = KANSAS STATE, KANSAS, IOWA STATE, COLORADO
POD 3 (old SWC + OSU) = TCU, BAYLOR, TEXAS TECH, OKIE STATE
POD 4 (old Big East) = WEST VIRGINIA. CINCINNATI, UCF, HOUSTON
I think we could get a seat in the BIG someday, but it may not be a terrible option if we were in a strong B12/PAC merger.
There’s still a lot of moving left to do…who knows where it all shakes out.
Agreed. Arizona and ASU make sense, Utah fits with BYU, and Wash. and Oregon are a good fit.
Other than ASU imo, the others all offer overall positives, (academics, well rounded athletics for both men and women), and would provide new travel opportunities.
I really don't know a lot about ASU, it just seems over the years, the negatives far outrank the positives...
