Who is best for the Big 12?
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i don't know much on this matter, or if and when we should add more teams, but I AM GETTING SICK and TIRED of the condescending attitude of many analysts out there when it comes to realignment. For example, I realize Finebaum is a big SEC homer, but to literally say on ESPN "but the big12, who nobody really cares about......." And there are many others that are basically saying the same...as if other conference schools don't even matter except those in the big10/SEC. The rich get richer, but hey.....it's the American way.
The PAC was a disaster and hardly in a position to be poaching when it still had its biggest name in USC. Other schools are probably assuming Oregon and maybe UW are going to be in play over the years for the Big 10, so no one in their right mind would jump to the PAC from the Big 12. The PAC is as good as dead. As media value shifts from tagging along to cable and sat to more and more value to teams that have people watch games, the PAC teams get less valuable. The only PAC team moving in a positive direction in that regard is Utah. Oregon is a good draw, but not as great as people think. The last couple of years you put Oregon, ISU and Okie State on the same level of network and time slot they all draw similar viewers. Utah is about there too. UW is falling behind there, and the rest of the PAC sucks hard in getting people to watch.
I would take the entire remaining PAC 12. Any and all of them. Months ago we were on life support. A mega conference that includes most of the traditional PAC 12 teams? Sign me up in a heartbeat.
He's a scrotum head, just look at him. He's an angry guy, probably not getting any action.
It’s becoming increasingly apparent that the B1G isn’t inviting Oregon and Washington.
I think 16 is the number to be at. Oregon, Washington, Arizona State, and Utah would be my targets.
It’d add the biggest remaining national brand (Oregon), monster media markets in Seattle, and Phoenix, and a consistently solid program in Utah. An annual BYU/Utah conference game would be inventory gold for the Big 12.
Arizona and Colorado would be on deck for me if it falls through with any of the above four.
I think 16 is the number to be at. Oregon, Washington, Arizona State, and Utah would be my targets.
It’d add the biggest remaining national brand (Oregon), monster media markets in Seattle, and Phoenix, and a consistently solid program in Utah. An annual BYU/Utah conference game would be inventory gold for the Big 12.
Arizona and Colorado would be on deck for me if it falls through with any of the above four.
Finebaum is a turd and he’s a mouthpiece for ESPN and its spin cycle of anti-XII bias.
The P12 may go on the offensive, but they're working from a position of weakness even if the remaining 10 schools stick together for two reasons.
1.) I don't think the B1G is going to leave UCLA and USC way out there on an island by themselves. At a minimum, I see them going after at least a few more schools (my guess is two, maybe 4). I don't think Cal, Colorado, Utah, Wash St or Oregon St are on this list, mostly due to apathetic fan bases.
- Washington - great academics, great athletics plus a large fanbase that's engaged (rare for the West Coast)
- Stanford - great academics, great athletics
- Arizona - good academics, great athletics
- Oregon - athletics
- Arizona State - ?
I think this is the old way of looking at things. If you have tv revenue $$$$$ and you get revenue share of that, it is not based on attendance. It is more like the NFL model. You have franchises that perpetually suck, yet they are in the good old boy league where money is shared more equally. Physical attendance won't matter as much. As long as you are in a solid marriage with a hot girl and she can't dump you then you are GOLD!!!!!
They could let join at a reduced share for X years. They did that to the recent schools that joined. If the schools suck it up and sign on for that.
The love for AZ schools is strange. Someone just said, and I agree that AZ is close to KU, but worse. ASU might be approximately Ok St? If the number of alumni matters they are helpful but mostly those alumni don't care that much. Wash and Ore are far any away the best but I agree that it might just be too big an ask. I wouldn't be opposed to AZs Co or UT as I think they fit, but still leaves us at the mercy of what the B16 and SEC do down the road.
Far easier to say just kidding to Houston, the penalty for that has to be relatively minor.
With 24 hours to process I am really liking the 4 mountain schools to go to 16 knowing they would already be poached if the "powe r2" wanted them that bad...and then Cal/Stanford/Washington/Oregon knowing they just play with us until Big Cash Conference makes it official for 2, 3 or all 4 of them. Part of me almost wouldn't even want them to play for a year or two to avoid the optics of another defection.
I can't see how the Pac is in stronger position than us by adding low population state like KU or that Texas schools would even want to leave for a west coast league (assuming Pac does a 180 on their snobbery and considers any of them). OK State is in the smack middle of our new league and they'd go travel to Wazzou and the Beavers now? I don't think so.
Just a matter of if we can get those 4 set for 2024 or if there's more to it.
On one hand I feel bad for OregonSt/WSU...but if you compare their #s to ISU, KSU, OKSt, Baylor, Tech...the BIg 12 schools who have been in their situation, they are clearly last. It would suck, but it'd be more rational than KSU, ISU and OK State suddenly being completely on the outside after 100+ years of major cfb.
I can't see how the Pac is in stronger position than us by adding low population state like KU or that Texas schools would even want to leave for a west coast league (assuming Pac does a 180 on their snobbery and considers any of them). OK State is in the smack middle of our new league and they'd go travel to Wazzou and the Beavers now? I don't think so.
Just a matter of if we can get those 4 set for 2024 or if there's more to it.
On one hand I feel bad for OregonSt/WSU...but if you compare their #s to ISU, KSU, OKSt, Baylor, Tech...the BIg 12 schools who have been in their situation, they are clearly last. It would suck, but it'd be more rational than KSU, ISU and OK State suddenly being completely on the outside after 100+ years of major cfb.
Even if Oregon and Washington don't get to eat now, they will wait until they can. Eventually they will get to the Big 10 and can bide their time with a Mountain Pac conference even if Utah, Colorado, zona and ASU bolt to the Big 12.
The one benefit that might have gotten a team to the Pac 12 was the LA market for recruiting. I think that is the reason the Arizona schools stayed. Now that is gone.
