Are the new 4 schools guaranteed entry into the Big 12?

[exCyDing]

I still think the B12 might be more fragile than the PAC12 at this point. What if SEC invites Oklahoma St? At that point we are the leftovers. Anyone with a pulse left goes to the PAC12. We get stuck with six or so schools and look to add teams like Memphis and are on par with and AAC at that point. I’m not playing doomsday or saying this is the most likely scenario. But it’s a scenario.
This new commissioner is basically going to make or break the conference at this point. If serious calls haven’t already been made to half the PAC12, we’re probably ******.

Why would anyone accept less money and more travel for a conference that’s probably in the middle of getting picked over by the Big 10?

For better or worse, I think the remaining Big 12 teams are forever on the outside of the Big 10 and SEC. They’ve got what they want and have moved on to the PAC. The ACC will be next when their GOR is up or at least manageable.

 

[Cyclad]

Why if

Why would the 2 Arizona schools, Utah, and Colorado care? The pac is dead.

Because, if the pac 12 survives they can raid the b12. We need them dead, snd Washington and Oregon can keep them afloat

I do not see the B12 without OU and Texas sny stronger than the P12 without USC and UCLA.

 

[Cydwinder]

I think you add Utah, CU, and the Arizona schools and you really focus on b12 being true college football. Focus on rivalries, tradition, and passion. You can’t compete on pure money with big ten and SEC but there is a place for the schools in the conference.

 

[singsing]

Because, if the pac 12 survives they can raid the b12. We need them dead, snd Washington and Oregon can keep them afloat

I do not see the B12 without OU and Texas sny stronger than the P12 without USC and UCLA.

I get it now..I can see where you're coming from. Still think the schools were supposedly contacting are gonna jump ship. I'd bolt simply to get some early games scheduled East. That west coast time spot is killing the pac.

 

[Boxerdaddy]

I would think if there are laws keeping Oregon and Oregon state together and Washington and Washington State together, that only helps the Big12. Big10 isn't taking the Oregon and Washington State schools, but we would.

 

[RustShack]

I would think if there are laws keeping Oregon and Oregon state together and Washington and Washington State together, that only helps the Big12. Big10 isn't taking the Oregon and Washington State schools, but we would.

There aren’t, but they are trying. So make the move before the lawmakers do.

 

[Boxerdaddy]

There aren’t, but they are trying. So make the move before the lawmakers do.

I don't think Oregon or Washington would move to the Big12 as is. It's widely assumed they have a spot in the Big 10 so I'd think they'd wait to get rejected, or if laws are made, they'd wait to hear that the State schools aren't coming. But who knows. Obviously you get Oregon and Washington if you can IMHO.

 

[DeereClone]

I think you add Utah, CU, and the Arizona schools and you really focus on b12 being true college football. Focus on rivalries, tradition, and passion. You can’t compete on pure money with big ten and SEC but there is a place for the schools in the conference.

Lol rivalries and tradition in essentially a newly formed conference. Also passion, LOL, like the SEC and B1G don’t care??

 

[RustShack]

Lol rivalries and tradition in essentially a newly formed conference. Also passion, LOL, like the SEC and B1G don’t care??

There would be rivalries, Colorado coming back to most of the Big8. Arizona and Arizona state, BYU and Utah, the current existing ones, and who knows, maybe a new one with us and Cincinnati forms.

 

[Cyclonepride]

 

[Freebird]

Was with you until you said we needed to take the rest. Cal, Oregon State, and Washington State add nothing

I would agree with you but at this point I think there is safety in numbers. Even if it waters down the take a bit.

 

[RustShack]

I would agree with you but at this point I think there is safety in numbers. Even if it waters down the take a bit.

16 is a pretty safe number, I’d rather wait until the ACC is open game than water it down just to be the biggest conference.

 

[Freebird]

Why would anyone accept less money and more travel for a conference that’s probably in the middle of getting picked over by the Big 10?

For better or worse, I think the remaining Big 12 teams are forever on the outside of the Big 10 and SEC. They’ve got what they want and have moved on to the PAC. The ACC will be next when their GOR is up or at least manageable.

I don’t think it will be less money. The Pac 12 still has better brands than anything the big 12 has. Add in the best four big 12 schools and it’s a better product than anything in the big 12 can put together.

 

[RustShack]

I don’t think it will be less money. The Pac 12 still has better brands than anything the big 12 has. Add in the best four big 12 schools and it’s a better product than anything in the big 12 can put together.

As it currently stands, the current Big12 is projected to make more than the current PAC. Soo I’m kind of confused by what you mean.

 

[Freebird]

As it currently stands, the current Big12 is projected to make more than the current PAC. Soo I’m kind of confused by what you mean.

That’s with Oklahoma State on board. Take Oklahoma State out of the SEC gets weird. take the next top four revenue generating big 12 schools add them to the Pac-10 and that is a better product than anything the big 12 could put together.

 

[CysFam]

What makes a BIG difference is people in Big12 territory actually care about football.

 

[RustShack]

That’s with Oklahoma State on board. Take Oklahoma State out of the SEC gets weird. take the next top four revenue generating big 12 schools add them to the Pac-10 and that is a better product than anything the big 12 could put together.

The SEC is looking at the ACC, not Oklahoma State.

 

[HoopsTournament]

That’s with Oklahoma State on board. Take Oklahoma State out of the SEC gets weird. take the next top four revenue generating big 12 schools add them to the Pac-10 and that is a better product than anything the big 12 could put together.

OSU is not going anywhere, so this point is moot.

 

[Freebird]

OSU is not going anywhere, so this point is moot.

Except it was the premise of my original post and I think depending on how many teams the SEC wants to get to, OSU may end up being better fit than some ACC schools after you take the top three.

 

[MJ271]

I've seen some people in this thread expect the ACC to fall apart like it appears the PAC-12 will. I really don't think that's likely. For one thing, I'm not actually sure that the most valuable ACC schools (FSU, Miami, Clemson, Duke, UNC) are valuable enough to raise the per-school media deals in the SEC or Big 10. But even if or when some of those schools are picked off, I see the ACC as being more likely to become ESPN's second tier conference like it appears the Big 12 may end up being for Fox.

I find it hard to believe that anything fewer than 4 conferences will come out of this being significantly stronger than the next group of conferences. I just think there are too many current Power 5 schools that will need places to land and that it won't be effective for 3 conferences (in this case the SEC, Big 10, and Big 12) to supersize themselves and have 20+ teams.