Big 12/ Pac 12 Merger (keep all the teams)

[cyclones500]

Now Iowa vs Wisconsin on the other hand? Some groovy and up in your grill **** right there

Don't omit SEC from the young/hip equation! Vandy vs. Missouri. ... Divisional rivalry that spans nearly a decade!

 

[CYber_saber]

Nothing says hip, young, and cool like Oregon State vs Kansas football

I am sure these analysts would love some Rutgers vs Illinois, Vandy vs Ole Miss. Nothing is more cooler than such Power 2 matchups for their standards.

 

[Gorm]

We're witnessing the nation go through the stages of grief on realizing they're wrong on the Big 12/Pac12.

Pac 12 is way above Big 12 and will survive. The Alliance proves it.
Losing USC isn't a big deal, the Pac 12 can just poach top of Big 12
Pac12 still has better brands than Big12, and will get the better deal.
College football is better with the Pac, we need to save it, if you care about CFB, Big 12 schools should move
Nothing matters anymore outside P2, might as well stay at 10 with the Pac
Maybe the Big 12-Pac10 can fully merge into Pac22

Hopefully we can close the deal and get a few to jump on the way to a Big 18 and the P3

Woof. Time to take a break. You've had enough internet for today.

 

[WhoISthis]

Woof. Time to take a break. You've had enough internet for today.

Reread it and you’ll understand.

 

[cysmiley]

No reducing the per team pay.

This is key to competing with P2. Don't add just to add, have a financial purpose. Not going to do any good to have a 24 team conference with each school getting 25mil

 

[isucy86]

They cannot get out of the GOR with the ACC, and its "illegal" for the SEC to invite them, the school, has to make the first move. Now I am sure that ESPN has been talking to them about moving, but they cannot find a way around the GOR.

Washington and Oregon want the Big 10 and the money that it provides, they also figure correctly, that if that never happens, the Big 12 will take them, and they are correct. So, they are in no hurry to sign on with the Big 12.

Taking Washington St. and Oregon St will not force the other state school to make up their mind, or force the issue, you would just end up with the two most undesirable schools from the Pac 12. Both are headed to the MWC unless there is a merger between the Pac 12 and another league.

Now is the time to sink the Pac 12, sign up the four corner teams and put the pressure on Oregon and Washington, nothing else does that, unless the league breaks up.

I think the same could be said for ASU, Utah, Arizona and Colorado. They know the Big12 will take them any time over the next 2 years. They lose nothing by patiently seeing what TV Media Rights offers the Pac12 gets over the next year.

Would uneven revenue sharing make it attractive for Oregon, Washington, ASU, Utah stay in a 10 or 12 team Pac12?

Not like WSU or OSU have a lot of options. MWC money would be at most $5-10M per year. Schools like Cal & Stanford have huge endowments and could fund their Athletic Departments by allocating $20-$30M of endowment income. Similarly, the Pac12 could probably convince SDSU, Boise State, etc to come to Pac12 for a smaller share.

IMO this will be more of a collaborative approach between conferences than a high pressure negotiation with short decision deadlines.

 

[Gorm]

Reread it and you’ll understand.

Upon rereading, I had to stop myself from throwing up.

 

[t-noah]

If we’re going to try to expand beyond the 12 members going forward, why not go bigger? Geography seems to be less and less of an issue. The B12 should try to poach Oregon and Washington in the west and Florida State and Clemson in the east. Go big or go home.

How exactly would we poach Clemson and Fl State?

We're witnessing the nation go through the stages of grief on realizing they're wrong on the Big 12/Pac12.

Pac 12 is way above Big 12 and will survive. The Alliance proves it.
Losing USC isn't a big deal, the Pac 12 can just poach top of Big 12
Pac12 still has better brands than Big12, and will get the better deal.
College football is better with the Pac, we need to save it, if you care about CFB, Big 12 schools should move
Nothing matters anymore outside P2, might as well stay at 10 with the Pac
Maybe the Big 12-Pac10 can fully merge into Pac22

Hopefully we can close the deal and get a few to jump on the way to a Big 18 and the P3

I think you are being sarcastic? Based upon the article. Sometimes we never know. LOL

 

[t-noah]

"The Big 12 wants to be hipper, younger, cooler. There's not much that's hip, young and cool about an Iowa State-Cincinnati game".

Thank you, Dennis. Hope you earn some nice pennies this time for sharing your thoughts and expertise

Oh yes, really appreciated his insight.

Both those teams that he mentions, are up and coming, one with a large city and market, great fans, the other with tremendous fans and fan support.

But other than that, I forget we are 'fly-over' country.

 

[WhoISthis]

Upon rereading, I had to stop myself from throwing up.

What stages of grief would you have for guys like Mandel and all those that jumped on the Big 12’s grave for years? Or do you think they’ve always figured the Big 12 would become the Big 18, adding PAC schools?

 

[MisterO]

How exactly would we poach Clemson and Fl State?

Coach, if I had the answer to that question (and everything else that has unfolded over the last 10 years), I would’ve shut down my company along time ago and made a lot more money making the Big12 into a stronger conf. than the BIG and SEC.

This thread is a fan thread with most of us (including myself) speculating and hoping…nobody really knows what’s coming next.

 

[FilthyShadow]

How so?

You think the media and perception has all along been that the Big 12 is going to poach the PAC and be the 3rd conference behind the BIG and SEC?

Only remaining values are OR (until Nike $ is diverted once Phil Knight dies) and Stanford. No one clamours to see remaining teams. Rights values less than Big 12 schools. Pac12 hasn't been a good football conference since USC/Pete Carroll cheated way into top ten.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

I think the same could be said for ASU, Utah, Arizona and Colorado. They know the Big12 will take them any time over the next 2 years. They lose nothing by patiently seeing what TV Media Rights offers the Pac12 gets over the next year.

Would uneven revenue sharing make it attractive for Oregon, Washington, ASU, Utah stay in a 10 or 12 team Pac12?

Not like WSU or OSU have a lot of options. MWC money would be at most $5-10M per year. Schools like Cal & Stanford have huge endowments and could fund their Athletic Departments by allocating $20-$30M of endowment income. Similarly, the Pac12 could probably convince SDSU, Boise State, etc to come to Pac12 for a smaller share.

IMO this will be more of a collaborative approach between conferences than a high pressure negotiation with short decision deadlines.

The difference is that Colorado, and the Arizona schools are not going to get an invite from the Big 10, and I doubt that Utah will either. The money they are getting right now is the worst amount the P5 conferences, and all four have to know that Oregon and Washington, and maybe even Stanford might get a Big 10 invite. So why show loyalty to the Pac 12, when the better schools will not?

The Big 12 does not need or want WSU, OSU, Boise St., SDSU or other schools. How many people were worried about what happened to ISU last year? Few if any, so why should we worry about those other schools now?

This is a KILL or BE KILLED deal, and schools like WSU and OSU are going to be left behind unless the Pac 12 stays together, but if they do, how long will that last?

 

[RustShack]

The Big12 has had the benefit of being poached first(both rounds). They added the best available. That sets the PAC back even more, who was already behind even WITH USC and UCLA. They would have to add schools who weren’t good enough for the Big12.

 

[WhoISthis]

Only remaining values are OR (until Nike $ is diverted once Phil Knight dies) and Stanford. No one clamours to see remaining teams. Rights values less than Big 12 schools. Pac12 hasn't been a good football conference since USC/Pete Carroll cheated way into top ten.

Well of course, but that reality is just finally starting to be accepted.

 

[simply1]

I think Arizona adds value because of what their leaving does to the PAC 12. If the PAC 12 loses quality teams, it will be devalued as a league compared to the Big 12. I think it is important for the Big 12 to improve its relative strength compared to other conferences.

I understand that, however the op restricted it to schools that add value in order to leave outb other PAC schools. Why does Arizona get a pass?

 

[Clonedogg]

I understand that, however the op restricted it to schools that add value in order to leave outb other PAC schools. Why does Arizona get a pass?

Ya, I think the 4 most valuable adds, if we only looked at dollars, would be Oregon, Wash, ASU then I'm not quiet sure on the fourth. Utah looks to be that fourth, but if the Big12 has BYU does that diminish Utah's impact/value.

 

[bozclone]

I understand that, however the op restricted it to schools that add value in order to leave outb other PAC schools. Why does Arizona get a pass?

I’m not a fan of Arizona. Their FB is a mess. I would take Oregon and Washington over Arizona, but Arizona seems most willing to come to the Big 12. If we don’t kill the PAC, it weakens the Big 12s position long term.

 

[2speedy1]

You think Arizona adds value?

I dont think I said that.

I believe the only ones in the Pac that add value is Oregon and Washington, the 4 corners are even money at best, but may slightly add value by adding content and eliminating content in the Pac. As a group they are better than any single school. Arizona alone does not add as much value as a group of 4.

Wazzu, OSU, and Cal, are negative money. Stanford, probably also negative money but could be even as well. I just dont see them ever being in the Big 12.

 

[2speedy1]

Twitter search “Utah Iowa State”?

Utah fans have been terrible since the whole thing started. Not just with ISU, but with everyone.