You did say this, however. What’s the major reason to take Colorado and Arizona, need 4 and geography?
Big 12/ Pac 12 Merger (keep all the teams)
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Did you see where it said "EQUAL"?
By adding a group that eliminates the Pac, you consolidate content to the Big 12, meaning for a network to add content they must deal with the big 12. Thus giving a bump in value to the Big 12. This is how these schools may add value, even if they are equal value.
But I said you only add if they are EQUAL OR greater value.
Always an amazing matchup with so many memorable games. But Maryland/NW and Rutgers/Illinois are both right up there. Just outstanding rivalries.
What's interesting is the 'estimated' CFP income. That's the key to the 'separation' of the conferences. So, strengthening the conference in numbers 'may' also strengthen its ability to have more representation. The structure of the CFP is the entire key to the P2's strategies.
I believe that it offers value, and even if it isn’t equal it would take a P5 school off the table for a rival conference. Plus the addition strengthens the argument that the Big 12 is the best basketball conference in the nation. This diminishes the ACC as they are no longer considered the best. So the addition of Arizona is monetary as well as strategic.
If we were to take Arizona and 3 more from the PAC thus relegating ASU to G6. Wouldn't that shift the viewership tide in Phoenix?
Basically Arizona game on CBS Sport Channel or ESPN 2 and ASU on Peacock.
Why not just take the AZ school with more alumni, and fans, and TV viewership, and football success, that’s already located in the Phoenix area?
Agree
If there is only one conference left out of the Big 12, Pac, and ACC, the exact revenue isn’t as important Imo
AZ and CU etc have a choice between a Big 18 or Big 20 in which they are dictating the future of P5 leftovers, or they can wait and risk 22 schools of Pac and Big12 fighting for 10 spots of ACC, in which both conferences will have schools left out and the ones that make it more the distant satellites. In the latter case, they’d be lucky if the P2 expand further and there were only 16-18 schools trying to get in ACC, but then you’d also be joining a conference built around Wake, BC, and Syracuse.
If espn is willing to subsidize to prevent Big 12 from becoming start of P3, they could stay in Pac 10, maybe backfilling with G5 the Big 12 passed on. That puts them in the same spot they’ve been in for a year, just even weaker and with more uncertainty than before. They’d be in this spot or worse in several years, potentially with no Big 18 as an option, or weaker Big 12 schools the ACC didn’t want to replace Stanford, UW etc when they go BIG
A lot of risk for AZ and CU types by not driving this to a Big 18 setup
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Personally? Because ASU is acting the part of too good for the Big XII elitist ***** along with Utah. Washington and Oregon are playing it close to the vest. Not saying we're getting them just they're smart enough to keep their options open.
Say you get CU and Az, those other 4 either join Big 12, try desperately to get into ACC with Cal and Stanford, or stay at 8 in a rump conference until BIG finishes it off.
The ACC option would already be underway if it were feasible in my opinion
Love the justification of retaining the B12 name by adding the six Pac12 teams (ie 12 states represented in the Big12).
It matters some as a secondary revenue source. I want the 4 Mountain Schools to stabilize the western flank for the Big 12 and dominating that Mountain Time Zone. Very entertaining decent football conference. Good inventory of games and rivalries. And having the absolute best basketball conference in the nation does increase the value some. But agree that football is primary. No doubt.
Well, if Cal brings the band, they probably get into the Big 10, so we can leave them out of our future projections.
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Every school has "young" players- it's COLLEGE football."The Big 12 wants to be hipper, younger, cooler. There's not much that's hip, young and cool about an Iowa State-Cincinnati game".
Thank you, Dennis. Hope you earn some nice pennies this time for sharing your thoughts and expertise
Any college team/ conference can be presented as hip and cool so I'm not sure why he is singling out ISU and Cincy and saying that they lack that. Plus, I think that being hip and cool is only part of the package of garnering more viewership. It seems like too much emphasis on that would be overkill.
If the 2-4 of the four corners agree to come now, maybe we could offer them full shares instead of graduated if they wait.
Yeah, definitely an exaggeration with the showing of their band.
With the Raiders gone from Oakland, attracting more fans from the East Bay may be more helpful in strengthening their program.
Phoenix metro consists of transplants from mostly the Midwest as a rule. No specific loyalty to ASU. By specific location, Mexico.(I know it's not Midwest, just location wise) Iowa is well represented. My daughter is a native but she lives in CR.
Plus its content. Especially for a streaming platform like Amazon, Apple+, Paramount Plus.
With a 16 team conference that is 16 games a week. Spread that out over 6 or 7 days and give subscribers a reason to visit your platform every day. To not just watch TV, but maybe shop for groceries, clothing, carryout, etc. ARPU (Average Revenue Per User) will be just as important as viewership.
College Football is mainly on Saturdays, the key is what people buy on all 7 days and using the platform to promote or sell.
