LMAO Dodd is a nut sack and hates the Big 12. He was giving Texas and OU handy's when they decided to leave last year but now the Pac 12 is in trouble and he's clutching his pearls.
Big 12/ Pac 12 Merger (keep all the teams)
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LMAO Dodd is a nut sack and hates the Big 12. He was giving Texas and OU handy's when they decided to leave last year but now the Pac 12 is in trouble and he's clutching his pearls.
You 100% add Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado, Washington and Oregon knowing that you probably have UW and Oregon short term but it guarantees the PAC crumbles. Once the ACC GOR falls apart the Big 12 will be in solid position to pick up the pieces that the B1G and SEC don't want and will be the clear cut third conference.
It was an ignorant comment.
Had ISU and Cincy played last non-conference, it likely would have been a top-10 matchup of two programs new to being in that position. I don't know what could be more neuve than that.
Dodd is being a moron. The BIg 12 is clearly saying that although we don't have schools you historically find in the top-10, we have schools that going forward have a better chance than many in the P2. UCF wasn't even a school when some of the P2 brands were established, and those living off **** from decades years ago will be passed whether they have a revenue advantage or not (see Scott Frost and Nebraska). Houston is trending up as a school (likely will be in the AAU at some point soonish) and can make the top-10 from the American let alone Big 12. ISU isn't the ISU of old and has a coach that can compete with anyone by Year 2 with bottom P5 recruiting. And so on.
It's a good thing that these schools decisions aren't made by fans....
Regarding the PAC/BIG 12 merger chatter by dip sh!ts like Dodd but that kind of agreement seems to be the exact opposite approach of everything we've heard about Brett Yormark. Why would we want to fund Oregon State, WSU, CAL, and Stanford? I don't see that happening when the Big 12 currently holds significantly more value than the Pac 12.
It’s impact is minimal at best. It’s a nice byproduct of all this if nothing else.
It’s the best BBall conference but we will never get that rep at the level we deserve nationally because of the blowies Duke, NC and the like in the East will continue to receive on the mothership.
I never said they did... they would still be part of the equal revenue sharing which is a terrible idea.
Is that based on statements from Arizona & Utah's AD or President. I would take anything from a journalist, blogger or fan website with a grain-of-salt. Media people are just trying to stir things up to get clicks. Fan sites can be dominated by trolls vs. the level-headed fan.
Plus, it would be naive if Utah, ASU, etc. came out on July 15 and said "Where Do I Sign Up, Big12"
IMHO, this will be a process:
- Big10 Will Announce its New TV Contract
- Part of Contract Could Include Incremental Contract Revenue for Adding: ND, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, etc.
- Once Big10 media partners are established. That will depend how aggressive they will approach Pac12/Big12 Media Rights negotiations.
- Plus the Big10 deal will set the baseline for the Pac12 & Big12 negotiations.
- Does ND Join Big10 or SEC
- ND has a contract with NBC through 2025 FB Season. How bad does NBC want to keep ND as an independent.
- ND has to determine if ACC is a long-term solution for their Olympic Sports. How solid is the ACC GOR through 2036?
- Pac12 Schools Don't Need to Act
- In part because they probably feel they won't get their best offer from ESPN during the 30 day exclusive window. And FOX is probably limited until their Big10 deal is finalized.
- Why jump to Big12 or ACC Alliance until they enter a second round of media negotiations with Amazon, Apple+, CBS, etc.
- What are they jumping to? In the case of the Big12, do we have a new TV Rights Package? I doubt it. New Commissioner. Our deal doesn't end until Summer 2025.
- Media Companies Will Drive Conference Members. And partner needs and valuation will likely differ.
- That could mean Pac12 & Big12 remain separate.
- That could mean Pac12 & Big12 merge
- That could mean Pac12 grabs the top 6ish Big12 Properties
- That could mean the Big12 grabs the top 6ish Pac12 Properties
Regarding point #3. If ESPN can't show the Pac that they don't hold value now how is that going to change in a few years? Yes, the Big 12 contract is up in 2025 but that can certainly come sooner if Texas and OU buy out their departure. Also, those TV contracts don't have to go full term prior to a new deal getting signed. CBS and Amazon are going to be major players here plus FOX is going to want involvement too. This isn't just about ESPN and what they can offer.
Interesting take.
The Big 12 has something to offer to the four corner schools so we'll see if they join us soon.
It is in part coming from the AZ 24/7 guy who in theory is hearing it from ASU's counterparts at AZ.
Realignment may go to next summer, given it has been always been going on to some degree, but I would be surprised if there are no more moves this summer. What would no more moves look like? The PAC getting the ESPN (or FOX) bid and saying, we'll sign a one-year deal?
I think if that bid is not good enough to get a 5-year GOR, we'll see CU and AZ jump. Or potentially, top PAC schools actually added to ACC, but that is less likely.
There is huge risky by CU and AZ to sit as free agents with the other PAC schools if the ESPN deal is not sufficient to push this back many years. They do not want to wait until they are no longer in control of what happens next- say ESPN figuring out a way to add PAC and Big 12 schools to ACC- or even the BIG adding more PAC while the PAC waits with no deal. In that case, with the PAC already dead, the question of whether both AZ schools are needed is valid, as is whether CU adds value.
This is a huge point that most people miss. In comparing contracts / tv money / interest, you have to apples-apples compare by ignoring (or at least calling out) the CFP money. The % difference is less if you ignore CFP money. Not that it doesn't count, but it does mean it isn't quite as distant by default.
If you assume the SEC/B1G will get 80% of the $1B CFP money in 2030, then of course they are gonna look like world beaters. Maybe it won't all work out quite that lopsided in the end.
Why? What's wrong with unequal sharing based on an agreed upon formula?
But separate from that point, Maryland & Rutgers didn't join the Big10 with equal sharing immediately. I don't think Nebraska did either.
Also look at the ACC. Their sharing isn't truly equal. Media rights payments ranged from $35-$40M last year. Clemson earning the most. That isn't a huge differential, but what if it was? Part of the realignment talk has been the ACC elites wanting more money and only the SEC & Big10 could offer. But what if the ACC moved to a more lucrative model for it's best teams? Being in the ACC would still be better for BC, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, etc. even at payouts 75% of what they receive today.
Also, an expanded CFP could enable a conference to reward its best programs. Historically, with a 4 team playoff the 4 teams received something like $3M for playing in semifinal game and $5M for the championship game. Plus expenses. The P5 Conferences received 73% and G5 conferences got 27%. Each P5 conference received an equal share and I believe each conference split their $ equally to member schools.
But what if the ACC or Pac12 gave an unequal share to playoff or ranked teams or based on viewership. As long as the metric is transparent, agreed to beforehand- why would Oregon State complain if Oregon made $30M more from the Pac12 media right deals. Same goes for NC State vs. Clemson.
The current playoff pays around $500M annually. A 12 team playoff was expected to pay between $1.5B-$2.0B annually. Just by getting rid of the current G5 split on $1.5B that would be $400M that could be divided up between the 12 playoff teams.
Colorado was nervous when they left. They have to be nervous now. Arizona as well. They can calm their nerves. The Big 12 will get an automatic spot in CFP. Utah has to figure their chances are better winning the Big 12 versus a Mountain West Plus Conference title.
None of the three schools the B10 added got equal sharing of revenue right up front, Rutgers and Maryland were broke and borrowed from their future earnings to get out of debt. It will be years until both receive an equal share of the revenue. Nebraska got an equal share in 2017. I also remember reading that they had different timelines to get the revenue, Nebraska was like 6 years while the other two were 8.
UNL to receive full Big Ten benefits after six years
The University of Nebraska-Lincoln will soon see the full benefits of the Big Ten Conference: big green.
Way too much to read. But I'm of the belief we don't take more than 4 now basically because there may be better options when the ACC implodes. I feel those two are my last takes in that scenario. It's not like they're going anywhere else.
You can only comment on what you read and based on that I'd react the way I stated.
I agree ESPN isn't the only player. But Fox & ESPN have exclusive negotiating rights window- I haven't seen what that period is. I would be surprised if Fox or ESPN wow the Pac12 with their offers. So they will go out to bid to the Amazons, Apples, NBC, CBS, etc. At that point, we could see them drive a Pac12/Big12 combination or merger.
I am not sure the Big12 wants to end it's deal earlier. And I doubt FOX & ESPN would want to either at this point. That's why the Big12 added 4 teams last summer, to keep the current agreement with ESPN/FOX in place through the 2024/25 FY.
Up to this point, I haven't seen a contract end early. Have you? Even with all the fanfare about the OU, UT, UCLA & USC movement. At this point, the Pac12 schools are the soonest to move in Fall 2024. So the existing Pac12 will remain through 2023/24 sport calendar.
Never say never. But I did not include the Big12 in my example.
Just saying, there are ways for the Pac12 & ACC to hold together if schools are willing to take an uneven share. Also, the new CFP could be a way to fund it. Hard to argue that if Clemson & Oregon make the CFP, they shouldn't get more than other schools.
Plus, what is one way for the ACC, Pac12 & Big12 to destabilize the SEC or Big10? Offer unequal shares! That might cause tOSU, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia or Texas A&M to want a bigger share of SEC or Big10 money if they are consistently in the CFP. Hell, Texas will want a bigger share because they are Texas!
