I get it, but I'm a proud ISU grad so the Cyclones will always be "my team."
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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But do you really think the fans not showing up in person are watching on TV? Doubt it.
IMO attendance is a good indicator of overall fans interest and value to the networks. I can't think of many high media value FB schools that average less than 60k fans to their games.
The Big10's recent adds are the exception and they are located in the 2nd largest DMA.
That's such an outlier being on Peacock, I don't think its relevant to your point.
What it is relevant to is everyone who thinks streaming is going to magically pay tons more than traditional. Maybe eventually, but not today.
Side point, when looking at viewership numbers, and trying to get a handle for each school interest/viewers, you have to control for other key independent variables. e.g. opponent, timeslot, channel.
Oregon St for example, had worst viewership in the P12 (IIRC), but they also got stuck on P12N more than anyone else. Becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's not a hard linear regression to do, and I am sure the networks do it (well, pretty sure). Maybe I will try to find that data and regress it for fun sometime, but I do have a gf so maybe not lol.
I guess I have to figure out when the year breaks down. I might be wrong. But I still think 189k sounds low. Ours may be closer right at 2.6M but theirs doesnt.
You can’t count those cardboard cutouts they had as paying ticket sales.
Its totally by ticket sales, and Baylor has a much smaller stadium remember. All of these schools report attendance by ticket sales not actual butts in the seats.
That's true. A lot of people must buy tickets and not attend games there I guess. They are most known for their tarps.
I think if you go to the AAU office you'll see they all wear the freshest Nikes around.
Our Cheez-it bowl with Clemson had television viewership numbers that outdrew the Pac-12 title game.
I agree though, it's hard to compare since opponent, timeslot, channel, etc. has a significant impact.
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My problem is the math.
If it was 11,500 tix per game for 4 games. If those tix averaged $60. That would make up the entire 2.7M that site shows as our entire AD ticket revenue for the entire year...All sports.
You would not be able to sell 1000 tickets per bball game, none for womens, none for wbball, none for vball, none for anything. Not saying there was a lot, but the numbers dont compute right. At least not to me.
And for Iowa's figure. That would be less than 4K fans at $50 per for 1 game. Could be right I guess It is Iowa. LOL.
Also, like most attendance things , numbers like this can be gamed.
Remember when our official capacity was 45k but we often had attendance of over 50k (because we didn't count the hillsides)? Baylor does something similar
Baylor has an official capacity of 45k but has had a bunch of games with attendance above that. Their actual capacity, judging by their record attendance, is more like 50k.
Wouldnt they have to also buy off every voting member of the AAU? Hmm.
At some point, not sure when, we changed how we report our attendance. If you look at anything that reports our sell outs it says in the fine print, that we do not report numbers above our capacity.
I remember we used to report numbers above capacity like some places do, but we no longer do, it may have been when we went to the 61,500 capacity. But either way when we hit the capacity whether we sell standing room tix or not we dont report that number, at least not publicly.
Those tarps eliminate capacity though I believe. So if they have tarps over seating it is like those seats are not there. meaning the capacity is reduced officially so if they have a 40k stadium and tarp 5k seats their capacity is officially 35k. So selling 35k tix means they are at 100% capacity until they remove the tarps.
You can find exceptions. But teams that don't draw well, aren't going to have high viewership.
USC & UCLA were taken because their media market and the ability of BTN to charge more.
Michigan, tOSU, Bama, OU have great viewership because 80k+ have attended their games for the last 50+ years!
Those prior season ticket holders watch on TV. Those fans that share season tickets, watch on TV.
It also doesn't hurt that teams with great viewership have a long history of bowl level teams. And fan memories are long- look no further than Nebraska FB fans and Indiana hoops fans
Bowls aren't stupid. There is a reason that ISU has been chosen to play in their last four Bowl Games vs. Clemson, Oregon, Notre Dame and Wash. State. ISU brings fans to the city AND draws well on TV. Now, they just have to start winning more than 1 out of 4 for the next level of respect nationally.
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Not really. At this point media market size still matters. Especially for the BTN, SECN and ACCN and how they make money off cable & streaming subscriptions
Unfortunately, ISU isn't in a large media market and we don't have 10-20 years of being a top 25 team!
Sounds good on paper, but those donations to NIL are now not tax deductible, they may be in the future, but as of today, they are not. So is a person going to make this large donation, know he cannot take it off his taxes or just continue to give the money to the school and deduct it?
Does the school count the donation to the NIL fund the same as a donation to the school? More you donate the more perks you get, and unless schools are willing to count your donation to the NIL fund the same as to the athletic fund, many will continue to do what they have been doing.
If you are saying that schools can now take that extra $50 million and put it into NIL, that would make the athletes employees, and that will never happen. Money from NIL has to be totally separate from university funds, so EIU or any other school cannot take the extra money from TV and use it to fund their NIL program.
