Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Gunnerclone]

Either way its a bad idea. The big 12 already has a perception problem with the media and casual fans, adding even more G5 schools does not help that perception at all.

Nothing is going to change that either way.

 

[drmwevr08]

Nothing is going to change that either way.

Oh, taking more g5's would absolutely make it worse.

IMO getting Pac and ACC could actually improve it but that's up far debate, the first statement is not.

 

[HFCS]

Nothing is going to change that either way.

We’ve absolutely crushed college basketball per team by miles and the media still largely ignores the B12 in favor of three significantly weaker conferences the have a permanent love affair with.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Oh, taking more g5's would absolutely make it worse.

IMO getting Pac and ACC could actually improve it but that's up far debate, the first statement is not.

The media will always **** on the Big 12. Casual fans just follow the media. The Big 12 could add Notre Dame and the headline would be:

“Notre Dame sees easy path to football supremacy in neutered Big 12”

Or

“Notre Dame crowns themselves the savior of the failing Big 12 after PAC 12 Merger Fails”

 

[aeroclone]

The only G5s to add further needs to occur after the P3 has been made, and there are G5 schools threatening to play their way to being an issue. Say, like what we say Cincy do last year happening multiple times, or that a conference like MWC is becoming too quality in nature. Take the top 1 to knock it down

But even then, if that P3 is at 20-24 schools, the whole equalizer is the auto/access to CFP, so the less mouths to feed the more the equalizer is maxed out.

You don't even need to do that. The G5 conferences will forever be held down simply due to the fact that they are filled with schools who don’t draw eyeballs. We didn't take UCF or Cincy because their on field success could lead to the AAC surpassing the B12, we took them because we were in desperation mode and they were the best of a bunch of bad options. Same way TCU got added when they did. Nobody is playing their way in, they are always going to rely on disruption in the ranks above to create an opening.

 

[WhoISthis]

Nothing is going to change that either way.

Better to have 2 conferences that think they are above than 4.

Better to be 20-24 vs 40 or 48 than 10 vs 58 schools

 

[NWICY]

They are not arranging or helping and recruits get NIL deals. Harbaugh wants playing at Michigan to be a “transformational not transactional experience”

Not saying it will be successful but I actually agree with Harbaugh on this. These 6 figure NIL deals are ridiculous. An extra 2 or 3 grand for gas and beer money by doing Cameos(?). Is what I think most people invisioned.

 

[WhoISthis]

You don't even need to do that. The G5 conferences will forever be held down simply due to the fact that they are filled with schools who don’t draw eyeballs. We didn't take UCF or Cincy because their on field success could lead to the AAC surpassing the B12, we took them because we were in desperation mode and they were the best of a bunch of bad options. Same way TCU got added when they did. Nobody is playing their way in, they are always going to rely on disruption in the ranks above to create an opening.

sure we did- or it was one of many reasons- Cincy showed why. The AAC had a CFP participant last year while the Big 12 did not. That is a bigger threat to the conference than any ratings factor. That had to be eliminated- the Big 12 neutered the AAC.

Those 4 made the conference stronger. Add those 4 do as well in ratings against P5s as several P5s. Removed any notion the AAC is similar enough to Big 12 (it did not need to have a chance to surpass)

Most of those 4 will end up doing better in a P3 setup than many P5s we could add.

 

[JM4CY]

Nothing is going to change that either way.

We will always be the red headed, step children.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Being reported by whom?

My grandson was saying “baba”, “nana”, “mama” and “dada” while making motorboat sounds, so I interpreted that as meaning all four schools are applying to the Big 12.

 

[JohnnyFive]

The media will always **** on the Big 12. Casual fans just follow the media. The Big 12 could add Notre Dame and the headline would be:

“Notre Dame sees easy path to football supremacy in neutered Big 12”

Or

“Notre Dame crowns themselves the savior of the failing Big 12 after PAC 12 Merger Fails”

In Iowa City that day:

Notre Dame continues to duck Hawkeyes, joins Big 12 to escape potential Iowa game

Or

Irish choose Big 12, meanwhile Ferentz still definitely not racist at all

 

[Clonefan94]

in addition to the corner 4, i would really like the Big 12 to make a play for SDSU and 1 of UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, Boise St to limit the remaining Pac teams options.

No. No. No. No. No.

 

[Lexclone]

In Iowa City that day:

Notre Dame continues to duck Hawkeyes, joins Big 12 to escape potential Iowa game

Or

Irish choose Big 12, meanwhile Ferentz still definitely not racist at all

Not gonna lie, the second one made me chuckle out loud.

 

[CoKane]

I think they're saying, what the AAC is right now (good but outside of the P5), the B12 will eventually be outside of the P2.

I'm not sure that's gonna be possible. I think there's too much football talent and too many good coaches for them all to just be in the Big 10 and SEC. Same for basketball

 

[Cloneon]

I don't buy that.

The Oregon-OSU game was the 2nd highest rated OSU game during the regular season, only behind Michigan-OSU which was #1 overall in the country. People (likely mostly Big fans) watch top PAC schools vs top BIG schools as much as the watch top BIG vs top BIG. Clemson-UGa one of the top-10. All these top brands outside the P2 get huge valuation bumps if in the P2, but particularly top PAC schools in the BIG


Also, think of the UCLA addition. With the BIG adding USC, the UCLA addition does not get much benefits from BTN, so it is mostly about valuation from ratings. UCLA is not pulling better than Oregon. If Thompson is correct, which he likely is not, UCLA is somewhere around Oregon's 30 million. It would be a huge risk to assume they'd do something they have not done recently- get good ratings. Yet they got in- so either the BIG is willing to let schools in that bring down revenue, or USC is worth $130+ million. USC is nice, but I don't see USC being that much higher than others.

What is true is that the schools that in their current conferences are already at valuations high enough may be limited. Those were the easy calls to make- if a school is in the money in a non-P2, they are even more in the money in the P2.

Memphis has a higher valuation than Miss St if they were to switch conferences. That is not a statement about P2s losing schools, it is a statement that the P2s are a little like the NFL in which just being a franchise is a huge part of the valuation (all of it in the NFL case). Adding the Clemson's, UWs etc to the P2s is somewhat analogous to the NFL expanding

I think the popularity of that game was more "interconference' than specifically the teams.

 

[CoKane]

in addition to the corner 4, i would really like the Big 12 to make a play for SDSU and 1 of UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, Boise St to limit the remaining Pac teams options.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

If the Pac 12 needs UNLV or Tulane to stay alive let them take them. The Pac doesn't need to be dead and buried for certain. Just clearly behind us, and if they take those 2 that's obviously what they'll be

I wouldn't mind SDSU, Memphis, or Boise usually. At this time last year I was fine with the latter 2 for sure. But right now there's better options and we should see if we can get any ACC teams with their GOR situation possibly blowing up first.

 

[Cloneon]

We’ve absolutely crushed college basketball per team by miles and the media still largely ignores the B12 in favor of three significantly weaker conferences the have a permanent love affair with.

Not love affair. Indebted to.

 

[CoKane]

Ugh, no. What is with people so eager to promote G5 schools? That is the absolute worst thing we could do for ISU. If we get the 4 the Pac is dead, no need to kill it further. Promoting those 4 only lowers our per school payouts. If you want more schools, you wait for the ACC to implode. This whole thing is about maximizing revenue to minimize the gap between us and the SEC and B1G. SDSU, UNLV, or Tulane etc simply grow that gap which hurts our programs now and our conference stability going forward.

I think the only way you do call ups right now is if they'd either add more or you need to make up numbers because you lost teams. Neither are situations we are in and we can get some really good fits from the ACC with some patience.

 

[exCyDing]

in addition to the corner 4, i would really like the Big 12 to make a play for SDSU and 1 of UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, Boise St to limit the remaining Pac teams options.

Taking anyone outside the current P5 structure would be the dumbest thing possible at this juncture. The PAC is going to implode (it's only a matter of time). The Big XII is in a good position right now, but taking G5 teams we passed on last year is the quickest way to drop from the #3 conference to the #4.

Plenty of schools from the PAC can be poached now. The ACC could be very vulnerable once it's GOR is up or broken. The Big XII is in position to benefit from both.

 

[GTO]

in addition to the corner 4, i would really like the Big 12 to make a play for SDSU and 1 of UNLV, Memphis, Tulane, Boise St to limit the remaining Pac teams options.

I'll give you props for not mentioning Colorado State. I remember a time when many on CF had a hard-on for that school.