Given the +11K average per game attendance that SDSU MBB pulls in, that is a flawed opinion. They are highly capable of filling up their new FB stadium on a consistent basis and if they do, expand it for higher attendance with PAC or B12 membership.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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Reminds me of everyone obsessing over Colorado State for some odd reason last year.
Adding a mid major with marginal fan support only bolsters claims that we are a “less than” conference in the eyes of national observers.
We already added two “growth potential” schools in UCF and Houston. If we add this go around, it should be only for established brands in my opinion.
All you people that think this will or has to happen immediately really dont understand how things work. None of these decisions happen that fast.If I were Yormark, I'd be tempted to give the 6 Pac schools (4 corners + Oregon and Washington) an offer that's something like below to incentivize them to commit earlier rather than later.
*Maybe even let them know that after 60 days from now, we plan to put fourth an offer to San Diego State, so there may not be room for all 6 schools.
- Commit to joining the Big 12 in the next 30 days and:
- Be assured admission into the Big 12
- Receive full share of the Big 12's new GOR from the very beginning.
- Commit to joining the Big 12 in the next 60 days and:
- Be assured admission into the Big 12
- Receive partial share of the Big 12's new GOR for first 3 years and full share after that.
- Commit to joining the Big 12 after the next 60 days, but before 1/1/23 and:
- Be assured admission into the Big 12 only if fewer than 18 teams have already committed.
- Receive partial share of the Big 12's new GOR for first 6 years and full share after that.
And if any of them involve legal matters they take a LOT longer.
It just is not a fast process. It just doesnt work out that way. Trying to put deadlines and timelines on things is never going to work.
Agree. Enough potential. They were only even added when there seemed to be no choice. There clearly are choices now, if you are patient. No SDSU. Staying at 12 is preferable until something else changes.
Try to view it from a larger perspective. Don't look at where teams are. Look at where they can be. SDSU is now the only team in the San Diego area and if they're a Big 12 member, those numbers you quoted will be significantly larger. Also, adding them significantly increases the odds of adding several PAC teams, which is enormously valuable to the future of the Big 12.
I'm so grateful you can educate us on exactly how these things work. Commitments can be made before all the legalities are finalized.
The Big 12 has leverage over the PAC, but it's useless if the Big 12 chooses not to use it.
No, but I'm sure he knows a guy who knows a guy who can (e.g., SEC and OU/UT).
In 2019 the last time they played full capacity, they averaged about 25K. Their New stadium only has a capacity of 35K, they will be lucky to fill it even in the best games.
Their viewership is pathetic averaging less than 200K.
Even with great teams, no one cares.
Doesn’t the big 12 have a rule of 40 or 45k for stadium size? That would need to have expansion talk right away.
Why will they be larger? Simply because the viewers in the Big 12, not because the viewers In SD and Cali care more.
Look at Cal, Huge market, in P5, no one cares. Barely ahead of SDSU in 76th place. No one cares. Just because they are in the B12 doesnt mean more people in SD care, it just means they gain B12 viewers.
Maybe we should lock down the Chicago market and add Roosevelt University.
Lol, you may want to revisit the timeline on last summer and adding 4 schools last year.
Within the timeframe that poster listed, you had OUT, the Big 12 schools deciding they would jump to PAC, the PAC deciding the would not add, and the Big 12 deciding on 4 G5s to add. All of that without the ticking clock that is the BIG first taking PAC schools, and the Big 12's calculus changing.
Yormark's job is to make sure PAC schools realize the latter part. The point is the Big 12 can wait more than the corner 4 can. They can't wait risk free.
The decisions happened quickly, the build up can be long. There has been a year build up to this.
I think we need to bring back Washington U in St Louis. Bring back that historic rivalry, bring the St Louis Media market, bring the entire state of Missouri, plus southern Illinois. Big endowment!
Think of the growth potential!! I mean if SDSU has growth potential, Washington U must have many times more growth potential!
It is a win - win.
You’re absolutely right about the timeline. Though I will say that we had previously vetted all those members a couple years prior before deciding against expansion. I wonder if going through that process helped expedite things at all…
Just spitballin’
You realize that's a big part of what we're selling the 4 corners, some of which are schools that even with P5 advantages and schedules are not drawing well,? We are pushing that even though the Big 12 lacks brand appeal, that matchups with flyover states and 2nd rate Texas schools will bring passionate viewers to their games.
I wonder if there's a chance that Oregon and Washington get officially declined by the B1G and decide to join the B12 instead without telling the other schools.
Even that would seemingly put the Mountain schools in a more difficult spot I would think.
I really think they're at a disadvantage not being proactive.
Even that would seemingly put the Mountain schools in a more difficult spot I would think.
I really think they're at a disadvantage not being proactive.
There's no question SDSU's viewership numbers would grow significantly, but the most important benefit is this move would end any reasonable expectations for the PAC expanding and surviving, and the collapse of the PAC would be the best thing to EVER happen to the Big 12 Conference.
