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Rabbuk

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Taking your 6 year number as a government standardized length of time for a degree is shocking to me. If that is the case, that would certainly explain to some degree the crazy accumulated “college debt” that is on the backs of 20/30 year old graduates. Along with whatever numbers go in to how annual charges are determined. From what I have looked at, medical & college costs far exceed annual inflation numbers.
I don't think the 6 year number is anything beyond the after 6 years the people who actually graduate are minimal, its like the 2 standard deviations from the mean sort of thing on a bell curve. Like after 6 years its people who are "just taking classes" who never finish. something like 72% of people finish between 0-6 years.
 

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Taking your 6 year number as a government standardized length of time for a degree is shocking to me. If that is the case, that would certainly explain to some degree the crazy accumulated “college debt” that is on the backs of 20/30 year old graduates. Along with whatever numbers go in to how annual charges are determined. From what I have looked at, medical & college costs far exceed annual inflation numbers.
Here is the most complete set of data I found.


Looks like the big difference is whether they enroll out of HS or not.
 

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Yes cause it was daisies and sun shine the last 22 years of my life. Privileged much? Go buy a 3rd acre developed land anywhere in Des Moines right now. $150k-$250k.

Besides you're making it personal. I was talking about generations, now you're attacking my personal finances without any idea about them.

There was an insane amount of opportunity for anyone that was 35 years old when the pandemic hit, nothing to do with you.

Buy a simple house in a small town where your payment is less than $1,000/month, keep your vehicle investment under 20% of annual income (under 10% is better), and take the savings of these two choices vs what most people do and invest in mutual funds.
 
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There was an insane amount of opportunity for anyone that was 35 years old when the pandemic hit, nothing to do with you.

Buy a simple house in a small town where your payment is less than $1,000/month, keep your vehicle investment under 20% of annual income (under 10% is better), and take the savings of these two choices vs what most people do and invest in mutual funds.

Anyone?
 

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Bigger hit for college borrowers will be when interest starts on them again. How long have they been 0% interest. I paid 9% on my student loans. Are they still around that? Or I should say were before the no interest occurred.
 

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Right, but we all make choices that have financial consequences.

I'll make the choice that you're an absolute moron for thinking this is a reasonable 'choice' for most.

"just go life in BFE with no amenities, no jobs, no social life, and no dating pool or its your fault you have financial consequences"

Peak boomer logic.
 

Rabbuk

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Right, but we all make choices that have financial consequences.
I'm doing fine financially but if you think the average person my age is afforded nearly the same opportunities as their parents you're high. For example my dad as a bar tender bought a house that is now 500k in Chicago at 23. Just a standard bungalow situation. If that's what we've decided the American dream is great I guess. I'll go **** off and live in the middle of nowhere and go line dance at the one bar with the blue hairs.
 

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I'll make the choice that you're an absolute moron for thinking this is a reasonable 'choice' for most.

"just go life in BFE with no amenities, no jobs, no social life, and no dating pool or its your fault you have financial consequences"

Peak boomer logic.

Just saying if you can’t afford to live in a metro, but do so anyway, then ***** about having no money…there are other options.
 

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Just saying if you can’t afford to live in a metro, but do so anyway, then ***** about having no money…there are other options.
JFC there are other places besides Iowa. The reason I use Des Moines metrics is because even here it's ******* expensive and I just happen to be very familiar with the market because of my profession.
 

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You mean their anecdotes which had everything go right for them and had all the best circumstances possible aren't an accurate depiction of all the people in America?
I just have to counter the above. Sorry that this is long

I entered college at turn of millennium with zero credits. I graduated in 3.5 years while also doing a full semester internship and I changed my major twice. I was part of the three biggest tuition increases in ISU history (18%, 21%, and 11%?). Not off to the best circumstances.

But, I didn't use student loans to finance a computer, a car, or spring break trips. I knew many who did. I hustled, working five different jobs in that time frame, often two at once. Unfortunately, my wife did make mistakes and graduated with twice the debt of today's average college grad. yet, that was almost twenty years ago so conceivably she was 4-5x the national average. Those great circumstances keep piling up.

We spent eight years in our first two homes, both ended up being sold for a loss. And during that time, we had a child spend over 100 days in the hospital leading to my wife having to quit her job to care for him afterwards. So multiple times again not everything has gone right for me.

Yet, amidst those storms we paid off student loans and vehicles. Her first job, she made $26k as a school teacher and I made $33k. She's just now back to making $26k (subbing) after almost a decade of taking care of our kids. And I will never make $100k in my line of work. But, we chose to live within or below our means and have invested the savings wisely. I should be able to very comfortably retire in my 50s.

Oh, and I was a first generation college grad whose dad died (without life insurance) when I was in middle school and whose mom worked for hourly pay in retail.

Somewhere along the way, I must have gotten lucky right? I've found that the harder I work, the luckier I get.
 

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There was an insane amount of opportunity for anyone that was 35 years old when the pandemic hit, nothing to do with you.

Buy a simple house in a small town where your payment is less than $1,000/month, keep your vehicle investment under 20% of annual income (under 10% is better), and take the savings of these two choices vs what most people do and invest in mutual funds.
This is pretty good, simple advice.

My grandmother in laws home will be coming to sale in western Iowa shortly. i doubt they ask $80k for it. 3 bedroom, 1 bath, semi-finished basement and a massive garage. I'd be shocked if it's not bought by an investor looking to rent it out. It should be bought by the 25-30 year old in a starter house situation (and not 300k as previously mentioned by someone)
 

8bitnes

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I'll make the choice that you're an absolute moron for thinking this is a reasonable 'choice' for most.

"just go life in BFE with no amenities, no jobs, no social life, and no dating pool or its your fault you have financial consequences"

Peak boomer logic.
Newhall is 20 miles from cedar rapids. There are small towns around every major urban area in Iowa and a 30 minute commute is not bad at all when you are paying $900 less per month on housing