ESPN, Fox Open Discussions for Next Big 12 Deal

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You better tell Nebraska they're about to be kicked out then.
They added Nebraska knowing they were losing AAU status. It wasn’t a surprise. And I believe ND the crown jewel they are dying to get also isn’t AAU. AAU status isn’t keeping Iowa State out of the B1G, the B1G Network and Iowa already being in the B1G is keeping Iowa State out of the B1G.

Now, it will be interesting to see how big the B1G gets. The SEC will likely try to match the numbers as they keep going back and forth getting to the same about of teams. If the ACC survives their GoR, there could be a few more attractive teams from the Big12 10+ years from now as well. Keeping CMC around would give us a chance of an SEC bid. Still a long shot, but the key is just win.

It may or may not be us, but I’d be shocked if 1-3 Big12 schools aren’t more attractive to the B1G SEC in the future. Again, depending on how many schools the other conference has and they want to match numbers.
 

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ISU just has to continue the course over the next decade that we have been on since Pollard come to ISU. That means hiring great coaches in FB & MBB. If ISU can have top 25 teams and put 70k fans in Jack Trice and 14k fans in Hilton- that might be tough for SEC or Big10 to ignore.
Fans in seats might actually be a bad thing. Media partners want fans at home.
 
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Fans in seats might actually be a bad thing. Media partners want fans at home.
Not sure the 60K in the stands makes a huge impact on what the 1M+ views the Media partners want.

But having full stands shows fan interest.
 

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The SEC situation has to be examined by the Big 12 head honchos. The Big ten and other conferences are pushing the 'all' timezones mantra. Well, the SEC is in 2 or the 4 and thats it. They will look at the west coast at some time I would think. I would not be extremely surprised if Oregon and Washington would be considered if as possibilities. They may be worth more to the SEC than the big ten for this reason. Is there a huge travel difference between the big ten and SEC for those two schools? Outside of USC and UCLA, I don't think there is. To me, Oregon and Washington may want to delay this whole thing to wait until the SEC decides they need late games.
Take this for what it's worth, as I thought Korea would be reunified before Germany! That being said, I could see the SEC looking for Nothern teams before Western teams. The Western teams add NOTHING to the SEC. Nobody in the SEC cares about Western teams, and nobody in the West cares about college football like they do in the SEC. Brands or no brands, I think the B1G is making a HUGE mistake taking Western teams, and the SEC knows it. Let the B1G bloat themselves.
 

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They added Nebraska knowing they were losing AAU status. It wasn’t a surprise. And I believe ND the crown jewel they are dying to get also isn’t AAU. AAU status isn’t keeping Iowa State out of the B1G, the B1G Network and Iowa already being in the B1G is keeping Iowa State out of the B1G.

Now, it will be interesting to see how big the B1G gets. The SEC will likely try to match the numbers as they keep going back and forth getting to the same about of teams. If the ACC survives their GoR, there could be a few more attractive teams from the Big12 10+ years from now as well. Keeping CMC around would give us a chance of an SEC bid. Still a long shot, but the key is just win.

It may or may not be us, but I’d be shocked if 1-3 Big12 schools aren’t more attractive to the B1G SEC in the future. Again, depending on how many schools the other conference has and they want to match numbers.
How did we get from the great news that the Big XII is getting to enter early media negotiations with ESPN and FOX, and is most likely expanding it's membership, to we're screwed because there's only going to be 2 conferences going forward with the SEC and B1G?

I just don't see that happening for a variety of reasons.

I think the Big XII is now in a great spot. But I guess some fans will always think we're screwed.
 

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I'm OK with Thursday and Friday night games, especially early in the season. They're fun and you get the attention.
I don't disagree, but I feel like ISU is always the home team when it involves us on a weeknight. Never on the road. Plus as a season ticket holder, not everyone can afford to take the day off of work. So thankful they moved our OU game off of that Thursday
 

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Not sure the 60K in the stands makes a huge impact on what the 1M+ views the Media partners want.

But having full stands shows fan interest.
There is a strong correlation between stadium attendance and TV viewership. Not sure there is any team that draws less than 60k and is in top 25 of viewership.

The only possible exception would be USC, but then they are in a DMA of nearly 6M people.

Plus network TV folks aren't really keen to hype the BIG GAME and then show a stadium with a lot of empty seats.
 

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There is a strong correlation between stadium attendance and TV viewership. Not sure there is any team that draws less than 60k and is in top 25 of viewership.

The only possible exception would be USC, but then they are in a DMA of nearly 6M people.

Plus network TV folks aren't really keen to hype the BIG GAME and then show a stadium with a lot of empty seats.

Right, but that’s not the implied implications. Good attendance isn’t getting you an invite. They don’t need attendance as a proxy based on the correlation, they have rating data. Top 25 viewership schools will be in. All the schools driving that correlation have invites.

Schools outside top-25 viewership but good attendance aren’t getting in over candidates with better ratings or other attributes imo. We took Houston for a reason despite their weak attendance
 

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There is a strong correlation between stadium attendance and TV viewership. Not sure there is any team that draws less than 60k and is in top 25 of viewership.

The only possible exception would be USC, but then they are in a DMA of nearly 6M people.

Plus network TV folks aren't really keen to hype the BIG GAME and then show a stadium with a lot of empty seats.
Yes, I agree, Which was my point about fan support. Full stadium is an important aspect for how a program is doing, fan support, viewership, etc etc.

I was just saying the 60k +/- in the stands are not going to affect the TV viewership numbers by being in the stands, vs at home watching, in any meaningful way. 60k vs 1M+ is minute, so if no one showed up and just watched on TV, similar to 2020 it doesn't make a drastic change in viewership numbers.

It was just a response to the post that said it would be better if everyone stayed home and watched on tv for the media partners.
 
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There is a strong correlation between stadium attendance and TV viewership. Not sure there is any team that draws less than 60k and is in top 25 of viewership.

The only possible exception would be USC, but then they are in a DMA of nearly 6M people.

Plus network TV folks aren't really keen to hype the BIG GAME and then show a stadium with a lot of empty seats.
Keep in mind that there's the lurking variable of how good a team is. Good teams get high attendance and get better viewership. There's definitely a relationship between attendance and viewership beyond what can be explained by a team's performance, but I'd bet that a team's performance explains quite a bit of it.
 

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Keep in mind that there's the lurking variable of how good a team is. Good teams get high attendance and get better viewership. There's definitely a relationship between attendance and viewership beyond what can be explained by a team's performance, but I'd bet that a team's performance explains quite a bit of it.

There was buzz around USC football during that Pete Carroll era. If USC is good they will catch the attention of the area to some extent.

If they suck....nope. SoCal is an amazing place. People aren't going to spend time, money, and effort for a bad product. That goes for just about everything in the area.
 

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There was buzz around USC football during that Pete Carroll era. If USC is good they will catch the attention of the area to some extent.

If they suck....nope. SoCal is an amazing place. People aren't going to spend time, money, and effort for a bad product. That goes for just about everything in the area.
I believe you just defined "Fair Weather Fans"
 

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I believe you just defined "Fair Weather Fans"

And the weather is always fair in SoCal.

When a person lives in a place with that many options and things to do, being fair weather is the default setting.

I wouldn't say SoCal is a bad sports town, but a team needs to catch the fan's attention. Just rolling the ball out there will not get butts in seats or TVs turned on
 
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