Is the higher payout of the SEC and BIG worth a more competitive path to make the playoffs for Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Utah?
CFP Expanding to 12 Teams
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Oklahoma has to be questioning going to the SEC now
It's not fundamentally changing the teams in the pool, though. It's just semantics.
So top 4 conference champs get a bye and are pre-assigned to a quarterfinal bowl site. Remaining 8 get seeded and play wherever the better seed wants to play the game. (Not sure if this will ever be off campus.)
Then the quarterfinals and semifinals are at bowl sites. So this basically means the NY6 bowls become playoff games.
Will the first round losers get slotted into bowls, or do they miss out on a bowl entirely?
There could potentially be interesting ranking battles between the 4th and 5th best conference champs. The 4th one gets a bye; the 5th one could have to play a road game.
No limit on how many at-larges can come from a given conference, which is too bad
Then the quarterfinals and semifinals are at bowl sites. So this basically means the NY6 bowls become playoff games.
Will the first round losers get slotted into bowls, or do they miss out on a bowl entirely?
There could potentially be interesting ranking battles between the 4th and 5th best conference champs. The 4th one gets a bye; the 5th one could have to play a road game.
No limit on how many at-larges can come from a given conference, which is too bad
Exactly. People are forgetting how little bowls actually matter anymore. All the coaches and players leave before them now. Kenny Pickett opted out of a NY6 bowl last year. Kelly and Reilly left their teams before NY6 and major bowls. Tons and tons of bowl eligible players chose to transfer out before it was played. NY6 bowls aren't the same as the playoff. Not even close
Yeah that’s going to be a colossal mistake they had to know an expanded playoff was coming, this is one of the stupider admin moves I’ve seen
They tied themselves to the grim reaper of conferences, their major blunder.
If you’re in a conference without access, you don’t think that affects which coaches want to be in that conference?
Awesome! Can't wait to see a 12 team playoff with 4 SEC teams, 4 B1G teams, Clemson, Notre Dame and two at larges!
6 conferences and 6 at larges.
If they're going to 12 teams, they need to get rid of the committee and give the top seeds to conference champs. Then use a computer model for at large teams. No human input.
Might want to read the proposal
I have never really liked the 12 team format, just because you have to give some teams byes. That gives them an advantage.
I have not seen how they plan to do this. I guess if there is only 4 power conferences left and they give the 4 conf champs the byes, I would be somewhat ok with it. But if they leave it in a committee hand, then you are leaving it up to bias and BS like we have seen for years.
I personally have thought 8 or 16 was better. 12 is fine but they really need to get away from that committee, or at least bring in some BCS style control of the majority of it. Because the committee just does what the committee wants otherwise. 12 with 4 conference champs getting byes, being there is only 4 power conferences left, or the top 4 in a BCS style ranking maybe.
I have not seen how they plan to do this. I guess if there is only 4 power conferences left and they give the 4 conf champs the byes, I would be somewhat ok with it. But if they leave it in a committee hand, then you are leaving it up to bias and BS like we have seen for years.
I personally have thought 8 or 16 was better. 12 is fine but they really need to get away from that committee, or at least bring in some BCS style control of the majority of it. Because the committee just does what the committee wants otherwise. 12 with 4 conference champs getting byes, being there is only 4 power conferences left, or the top 4 in a BCS style ranking maybe.
They did it for the money, not playoff position. Texas is arrogant enough to think they will still get in!
I think this is great news for Iowa State. It gives us a more realistic path to the CFP than if it stays at 4. In the new college football world there are 2 power conferences. It would have been very hard for the future Big 12 champ to ever make the CFP. Now they are guaranteed a spot.
The logic of this is flawed because you could make this argument about any configuration.
"Well, the BCS algorithm likes two teams more, so you don't deserve a shot."
"Well, you weren't in the top four, so you don't deserve a shot."
"Well, you weren't one of the top-six conference winners and didn't get one of the six at-large bids, so you don't deserve a shot."
My point is, if you're not moving to an ironclad formula that gives everyone the same shot (like the NFL, NBA, or MLB with an AQ big for every conference), you're just diluting the product and they're diluting it in a way that actually makes the product worse, in my opinion. I'd much rather just see the top eight P5 teams in the playoff than this 12-team formula if they're hellbent on expansion.
It's honestly feels like it's time for the FBS to be split between power conferences and non-power conferences. There's just too big of a gap between the Alabama/Ohio State/Georgia of the world and teams like Iowa State, Minnesota, and NC State, and it's a whole other level when you start talking about teams like UTEP, FIU, and UAB. FCS footing has found a really nice place in the college football landscape and the group of five schools don't get a ton of visibility with the current format anyway. They can also develop their own playoff and become a fun alternative to the power conferences like the FCS.
Pre-BCS: 1-2, maybe 3 Bowl games "mattered" in the sense of determining the national champion. The number Bowl games that mattered was inversely proportional to the number of teams still in contention who were playing each other. Every other bowl game was irrelevant.
BCS Era: 1 game mattered. That's it. #1 vs #2. Every other Bowl game was still irrelevant.
CFP Era: 3 games matter. Every other Bowl game continued to be irrelevant.
CFP+ Era: 11 games will matter. Every other Bowl game will still be irrelevant.
I may have been on another page there. I was considering in the past 5 years I doubt that we were recruiting under the guise of the potential for national championships. We just haven't been close. You're saying the exit of OU and UT probably would have left us with no chance whatsoever of that, but the expansion of the playoff keeps that in play. So prior state, we weren't getting in, future state with no expansion we DEFINITELY weren't getting in, but future state with expansion it's viable.
