HRM Queen Elizabeth dead after 70+ year reign

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As well they should. A huge anachronism at this point, even if you're simply maintaining tradition for its own sake.

I've often wondered this. The amount of resources that country spends on supporting the monarchy is mind blowing. And they really do nothing but generate good will and a sip tea. If I'm a citizen of Great Britain I'd think of a millions places I'd rather see that money invested.

I actually quite appreciate constitutional monarchy.

Queen Elizabeth and her family give the British people a common national symbol, one with the human face of the monarch and her/his family. They can therefore invest their patriotism in this symbol, one who is removed from the day-to-day mudslinging of politics, reigning but not ruling on the throne.

This means elected representatives are less able to hide behind patriotism and some metaphysical "sense of national unity" to shield themselves from their failures or the gritty, half-a-loaf details of cutthroat, bombastic politics and compromise-building policymaking. You never see an MP or a PM made up like a national father/priest-king the same way you see routinely with presidents or PMs in constitutional republics.

People need common symbols. And common symbols need to be above politics.

A constitutional monarchy offers these; a pure republic often fails to provide them.

Having an elder statesman/woman who is above the current fray is good for a common culture. Think of the role, say, Dan McCartney plays for ISU football compared to Matt Campbell. We can all love McCarney together, but we might need to criticize Campbell for how he makes some tough decisions, like how he constructs his staff. McCarney is removed from that; we can just love him together without such controvery.

Nice to have somebody we all have in common and to let the woman/man in charge do their job.
 
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i thought we took care of the red coats years ago

Yeah. We did. I guess that means we should refrain from discussing world events, especially when it involves one of our biggest allies simply because they’re the ones that used to wear the red coats.

What a moronic statement.
 
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Have you read the conversations going on between people in the UK? I don't think maintaining the lavish lifestyle of an anachronistic, hereditary position is doing it for them. Having a monarch wouldn't sort out our issues either.
Consider the possibility there may be more than one legitimate view on any given matter. And I don't think Cascade was suggesting in any way that we have a monarch in the U.S.
 

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@Angie is in London today, and visited Buckingham. I'll have to ask her if it was busy.
Just heard from @Angie

She's at the train station in London, and was when they made the announcement. She said some people are kind of freaking out. There a good deal of sadness. And the portal at platform 9 3/4 doesn't seem to be operational at all.