Nebraska sux

[Sigmapolis]

Doubt it. He is/was buddies with the Chicago front office. He may have had other opportunities but that is who, it appears, he wanted to coach. He also had dug himself a hole. He knew he was going to have to hit recruiting hard to fill the hole that was coming up and as he said, he hated recruiting.

I would imagine Fred's thought process was --

-- I'm friends with the front office executives.
-- This team *has* talent... Jimmy Butler can drag a team to the Finals by himself.
-- The offense was held back by the antiquated scheme run by the Thibodeau staff.
-- Thibodeau also ground guys down with the hard-nosed defense.
-- Worst comes to worst, I'm going to make $25 million.

I don't think he anticipated things would go so poorly he'd end up being a laughingstock who routinely makes or even tops "worst NBA coaches ever" lists. I also don't think he thought he'd fail so badly he'd be run out of the NBA forever (even Floyd had a second chance at a head-coaching spot even after how badly managed the early 2000s Bulls were) and end up marooned on some long-forgotten atoll called Nebraska.

He also probably thought things would go better in Lincoln, maybe to the point he'd rebuild his stock and could get back into the NBA game. Why not, it worked last time in Ames. Nebraska just doesn't have the tradition or fanbase that Iowa State does, though, is even more isolated, there isn't the synergy of the "ball boy becomes the head coach" mystique, and TJ isn't recruiting guys for him anymore. That and the Transfer U and chuck threes gimmicks have been embraced and replicated by the rest of college basketball.

Kansas is basically a rich man's version of those early 2010s Fred ISU teams now, and who knew that when you do that with Kansas' resources and propensity to cheat it leads to national titles.

 

[JM4CY]

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Starts around 45:50 FWIW.

JFC this guy lost me at the Big 12 not being physical. These B1G guys act like no other conference in the country plays physical football. I would put Baylor, OSU, TCU, WV, ISU, and K-State up against anyone as far as physical football goes.

Don't even get me started on all of the money comments... These f*ck heads still haven't figured out that you don't need 75 mil a year to run a football program.

 

[madguy30]

I would imagine Fred's thought process was --

-- I'm friends with the front office executives.
-- This team *has* talent... Jimmy Butler can drag a team to the Finals by himself.
-- The offense was held back by the antiquated scheme run by the Thibodeau staff.
-- Thibodeau also ground guys down with the hard-nosed defense.
-- Worst comes to worst, I'm going to make $25 million.

I don't think he anticipated things would go so poorly he'd end up being a laughingstock who routinely makes or even tops "worst NBA coaches ever" lists. I also don't think he thought he'd fail so badly he'd be run out of the NBA forever (even Floyd had a second chance at a head-coaching spot even after how badly managed the early 2000s Bulls were) and end up marooned on some long-forgotten atoll called Nebraska.

He also probably thought things would go better in Lincoln, maybe to the point he'd rebuild his stock and could get back into the NBA game. Why not, it worked last time in Ames. Nebraska just doesn't have the tradition or fanbase that Iowa State does, though, is even more isolated, there isn't the synergy of the "ball boy becomes the head coach" mystique, and TJ isn't recruiting guys for him anymore. That and the Transfer U and chuck threes gimmicks have been embraced and replicated by the rest of college basketball.

Kansas is basically a rich man's version of those early 2010s Fred ISU teams now, and who knew that when you do that with Kansas' resources and propensity to cheat it leads to national titles.

KU had a sneaky good defense last season and a machine come tourney time.

Even at Fred's best I can't put them in a similar category.

 

[trevn]

JFC this guy lost me at the Big 12 not being physical. These B1G guys act like no other conference in the country plays physical football. I would put Baylor, OSU, TCU, WV, ISU, and K-State up against anyone as far as physical football goes.

Don't even get me started on all of the money comments... These f*ck heads still haven't figured out that you don't need 75 mil a year to run a football program.

I wasn't endorsing the guy's opinion. Just sharing the spot in the podcast so people didn't have to listen to an hour of him talking about Nebraska.

There are a ton of things I disagree with that he said. I also don't doubt the guy is connected (at Nebraska) so he is getting most of his information from Nebraska.

 

[Sigmapolis]

KU had a sneaky good defense last season and a machine come tourney time.

Even at Fred's best I can't put them in a similar category.

Agreed, Torvik had them #13 in defensive efficiency (and #5 in offensive efficiency) last season.

But that is what you can do when you're Kansas and can always have elite size, athleticism, and talent. But Self did seem to pick up from Fred, "Hey, transfers can be excellent players and this small-ball offense stuff really works," but then, "What would happen if we add a defense designed to stop that?"

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I wasn't endorsing the guy's opinion. Just sharing the spot in the podcast so people didn't have to listen to an hour of him talking about Nebraska.

There are a ton of things I disagree with that he said. I also don't doubt the guy is connected (at Nebraska) so he is getting most of his information from Nebraska.

Oh I wasn't saying that you were. The only thing that guy said that was accurate is that Nebraska is interested in Campbell. Everything else he spewed is a load of crap.

 

[trevn]

Pate has some interesting takes here. He says throw Campbell away. That's weird. I'm good with it though!

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Pate has some interesting takes here. He says throw Campbell away. That's weird. I'm good with it though!

"out of the question for obvious reasons"

LOL what does that even mean?

 

[goody2012]

Pate has some interesting takes here. He says throw Campbell away. That's weird. I'm good with it though!

I may be missing something. What's the obvious reasons?

 

[FallOf81]

Kind of hard to believe he would leave with words like this.

https://www.amestrib.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/cyclone-insider/2022/09/16/nebraska-enough-pry-matt-campbell-iowa-state-college-football-cyclones-big-12-scott-frost-ncaa/10365219002/

 

[CloneGuy8]

Campbell may leave at some point, but he has had plenty of opportunities to do so and is still here. Iowa State and Ames seem to fit him like a glove; I can't imagine he would enjoy dealing with the boosters at Nebraska and the unrealistic expectations there every year.

 

[Lineup]

Linclon is a sesspool

 

[Gunnerclone]

I just don't buy it in week 3 of the season.

“Signaling” interest by being a successful coach in a neighboring state. ********.

 

[jsb]

Chris Landry, a former coach/scout who currently works as a consultant on coaching hires, said in a podcast that Campbell is either Nebraska's "#1 or #1A" target.

For what it's worth, he went on to say that Campbell is signaling interest, but Landry is unsure how serious it is. It could just be a matter of him getting his name out there to let other schools know he's open to moving for the right offer.

I regrettably didn't save the timestamp, but it's towards the end if you're really interested:

The Rise & Fall of Nebraska Football & Where they go from Here - Chris Landry Football

With the program at crossroads again, Veteran Coach/Scout Chris Landry offers some thoughts on how Nebraska got into such a mess and how they get out of it

landryfootball.com

You know what doesn’t make sense with this line of thinking? Why would anyone think that Campbell would have to signal that he’s interested in moving? He’s literally been on the short list of 90% of the openings since 2017. It’s not like he hasn’t had plenty of options to move on. Schools haven’t waited for him to signal for the last 5 years.

 

[khardbored]

Kind of hard to believe he would leave with words like this.

https://www.amestrib.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/cyclone-insider/2022/09/16/nebraska-enough-pry-matt-campbell-iowa-state-college-football-cyclones-big-12-scott-frost-ncaa/10365219002/

Paywall ... can you give a brief summary?

 

[LarryISU]

Omaha's 1620TheZone this a.m. discussed Todd Doxson and Sage Rosenfels. Both are pretty convinced that Campbell to NU is not at all likely. Matt loves coaching his daughter's soccer team. His kids love Ames. Money is at the bottom of the list for CMC. He is all about family, community, commitment to the kids he coaches. Plus he loves the challenge of getting ISU to the top. ISU has not been 3-0 since 2012 they said, and it is these achievements at ISU that have CMC motivated.

Just thought those opinions from former players were insightful. Obviously no one knows. But most of the Husker media and fans seem to think Campbell is the obvious choice. It is just irrational how many of them seem to think NU is a dream job. At least Matt Vrzal, a former Husker who gets interviewed regularly, admitted that in football, Nebraska is currently irrelevant.

 

[dafarmer]

MC ‘s interest in NU is for transfer possibilities, although watching there games, not much football talent.

 

[PickSix]

You know what doesn’t make sense with this line of thinking? Why would anyone think that Campbell would have to signal that he’s interested in moving? He’s literally been on the short list of 90% of the openings since 2017. It’s not like he hasn’t had plenty of options to move on. Schools haven’t waited for him to signal for the last 5 years.

I agree.

Like trevn, I don't agree with Landry's conclusions. I think he's a bit blinded by what Nebraska once was, and because of that, it overvaluing the current state of the program. He also neglected to factor in the fan base's unrealistic expectations when evaluating the quality of the opening.

However, I do think the growing disparity in revenue between the B1G/SEC and Big 12 will make it more difficult for Campbell to retain his staff, That's about the only case I can make for Nebby in it's current state over ISU. The increase in $$$ from a place like Nebby would make it easier for him to keep the band together.

With that being said, I have trouble seeing that be enough for him to make a move that's lateral at best in every other metric. I think it's more likely he holds out for a better job (if he leaves at all).

 

[FallOf81]

Paywall ... can you give a brief summary?