***Official ISU vs Texas Meltdown Thread***

[Statefan10]

No, our fans just don’t let it go and think we somehow always lose all the close games because of the refs. I am a diehard fan but try to watch without cardinal tinted glasses on. Love our fan base to death but they try to find blame and are super sensitive.

I think there’s certainly some truth to both of arguments. We are passionately sensitive about Iowa State but I follow enough teams and fans from around the country on Twitter to know that we are not even close to the most sensitive nor the most toxic.

We obviously are all biased. No doubt about that. But it’s just true that we’ve been on the wrong side of critical calls across basketball and football for a while. So yes, we’re sensitive and yes it’s annoying but there are moments (like yesterday) where it’s warranted.

 

[Statefan10]

I mean, we also have reputation for getting ****** by the refs. That isn't just within our own fanbase.

I mean I don’t even know how someone could disagree with this lol. If you want to play stupid and say “just win and you wouldn’t have to worry about it” then just stay out of the argument.

 

[Statefan10]

Have you heard of any other university with multiple apology letters from their respective conference? There might be........I don't know.

I would assume conferences don't just issue those to shut up a loud fan base.

So yeah......we sometimes can be over bearing, but to some point it is a bit of a touchy subject and maybe sometimes with games like Baylor (Freyler) and yesterday ISU fans should be given a break. Who gives a rats a** what anyone else thinks.

It doesn’t have to be either or for God sakes lol. I can say that we made absolutely critical mistakes and had we not made them we likely win. I can also say in spite of all that, if the officials make the correct call, we likely win.

 

[Cloned4Life]

The rule is inconsistent even within the same game, let across CFB. But people seem to think there is some grand conspiracy against ISU and there isn’t. This fan base already has a national reputation of blaming every game on refs and constantly rehashing the Baylor and Texas games for the next 9 months is only going to further that perception. It looks petty.

Yup, bad calls suck, it they happen in every game and have been a part of football for over 100 years.

JFC Jeremy, get off it.

Most rational fans understand we did not lose yesterday because of the refs. Iowa State is literally NO different than every single fanbase ever when it comes to “b*tching about the refs”. Stop this sh*t, you’re not “cooler than thou” for acting as if you’re ‘above’ the ref conversation. Obviously on a freaking anonymous message board fans are going to discuss (in depth - because, ya know - the internet) plays like the non-targeting especially when a play like that is called (and confirmed) targeting 1,000 times out of 1,000. It makes us… very standard and normal fans.

 

[Jer]

So you follow EVERY team close enough to know how long they ***** about officiating and how often? You must have a lot of time on your hands.

Dude, like to generalize much? You continue to earn your reputation of arguing just to argue.

 

[Jer]

JFC Jeremy, get off it.

Most rational fans understand we did not lose yesterday because of the refs. Iowa State is literally NO different than every single fanbase ever when it comes to “b*tching about the refs”. Stop this sh*t, you’re not “cooler than thou” for acting as if you’re ‘above’ the ref conversation. Obviously on a freaking anonymous message board fans are going to discuss (in depth - because, ya know - the internet) plays like the non-targeting especially when a play like that is called (and confirmed) targeting 1,000 times out of 1,000. It makes us… very standard and normal fans.

Dude, calm down. I simply stated my opinion like everybody else here. Some people like to think because I created the place that somehow I’m trying to use some moral ground. Or because I argue from a place of not rose colored glasses that I’m trying to be better than others. That’s just dumb and a way for people to continue their them vs the world view.

I’m simply saying that SOME people like to blame all close losses on the refs. Not everybody and yes others in other fanbases do that too, but when we’ve earned a reputation for it, it’s probably others beyond me that have that opinion.

 

[Jer]

Have you heard of any other university with multiple apology letters from their respective conference? There might be........I don't know.

I would assume conferences don't just issue those to shut up a loud fan base.

So yeah......we sometimes can be over bearing, but to some point it is a bit of a touchy subject and maybe sometimes with games like Baylor (Freyler) and yesterday ISU fans should be given a break. Who gives a rats a** what anyone else thinks.

Very valid point. I guess I understand we’ve not always gotten the good end of things, but I think it’s because almost all refs suck and only see certain things and from certain angles. Maybe they assume one team over another gets the benefit of the doubt, not sure. But I don’t think it’s some grand conspiracy against Iowa State.

 

[cycloneworld]

It doesn’t have to be either or for God sakes lol. I can say that we made absolutely critical mistakes and had we not made them we likely win. I can also say in spite of all that, if the officials make the correct call, we likely win.

Yep. We had at least 4 or 5 key plays to make and we likely win. And we made zero of them.

I’m not going to complain about a 50/50 subjective call or no call from the officials when we could clearly have controlled our own destiny rather than rely on a borderline targeting call from the refs.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Very valid point. I guess I understand we’ve not always gotten the good end of things, but I think it’s because almost all refs suck and only see certain things and from certain angles. Maybe they assume one team over another gets the benefit of the doubt, not sure. But I don’t think it’s some grand conspiracy against Iowa State.

I agree. The Bill Snyder "farewell" game. We just so happened to be the unlucky opponent. KSU wasn't going to lose that game.

And many an opponent has been screwed over in Lawrence in men's basketball.

So no.......there is no grand conspiracy. It just seems ISU more times that not is at the wrong game at the wrong time when it comes to game decision calls.

When it comes to sports.......we are Charlie Brown University.

 

[CYDJ]

The rule is inconsistent even within the same game, let across CFB. But people seem to think there is some grand conspiracy against ISU and there isn’t. This fan base already has a national reputation of blaming every game on refs and constantly rehashing the Baylor and Texas games for the next 9 months is only going to further that perception. It looks petty.

Yup, bad calls suck, it they happen in every game and have been a part of football for over 100 years.

If it were bad calls that occasionally go our way and go the other way, it would be fine. It would also be fine if we got what we did not believe was a good call but it was called consistently across games OR even in the that same game.

This has not been the case and I do not believe sitting by quietly while our team gets screwed is going to improve anything.

Here's the thing, the officials are not corrupt. Saying they are is counterproductive. Officials have been corrupt, but I don't want to believe these folks are. However, they are either star struck or incapable of calling a consistent football game. Either way, they need to improve.

No one here seems to think that ISU doesn't need to improve when they don't do everything perfectly. Why don't we demand the same of the third team on the field? Especially when they have the capability to correct those mistakes with the help of advanced technology (replay.)

 

[dirtyninety]

Alamo Bowl

 

[isu81]

If it were bad calls that occasionally go our way and go the other way, it would be fine. It would also be fine if we got what we did not believe was a good call but it was called consistently across games OR even in the that same game.

This has not been the case and I do not believe sitting by quietly while our team gets screwed is going to improve anything.

Here's the thing, the officials are not corrupt. Saying they are is counterproductive. Officials have been corrupt, but I don't want to believe these folks are. However, they are either star struck or incapable of calling a consistent football game. Either way, they need to improve.

No one here seems to think that ISU doesn't need to improve when they don't do everything perfectly. Why don't we demand the same of the third team on the field? Especially when they have the capability to correct those mistakes with the help of advanced technology (replay.)

If you don’t think we get calls during game, you’re not being objective. We committed back to back PI against Texas in the end zone yesterday. Neither got called and they didn’t score.

 

[tomar1]

If we want to stay a 3 3 5 defense why not put the 3 down lineman and McDonald line up a LB so he can rush from there?

 

[Iowast8isgr8]

The rule is inconsistent even within the same game, let across CFB. But people seem to think there is some grand conspiracy against ISU and there isn’t. This fan base already has a national reputation of blaming every game on refs and constantly rehashing the Baylor and Texas games for the next 9 months is only going to further that perception. It looks petty.

Yup, bad calls suck, it they happen in every game and have been a part of football for over 100 years.

If you think bad calls just "happen", especially when we play Texas schools, then they should even out over some period of time. Now, if you're going to try to tell us that they are currently even over time, that is your right, but you would be delusional. I challenge you to show ONE call that just "happened" to benefit ISU as a key to winning the game. The list on the other side is looooong, with video evidence. Hope you can find the long list the other way.....

 

[Iowast8isgr8]

If you don’t think we get calls during game, you’re not being objective. We committed back to back PI against Texas in the end zone yesterday. Neither got called and they didn’t score.

We didn't commit PI any more than UT did all day.

 

[David Freshman1982]

Not just football, refs screw ISU in everything always, for years. The Shirley whistle in the Elite Eight game, JFC worst screw job ever.

 

[LAClone]

It's not really the refs screwing ISU. It's the refs favoring the team that has the best path to the post-season, whether that's Kansas in basketball or Texa$ in football. Because we're a historical conference bottom-feeder, the calls are biased in favor of our opponents. The refs don't want to be the reason Kansas is seeded lower, or why Texa$ misses a BCS bowl/CFP.

 

[Iowast8isgr8]

It's not really the refs screwing ISU. It's the refs favoring the team that has the best path to the post-season, whether that's Kansas in basketball or Texa$ in football. Because we're a historical conference bottom-feeder, the calls are biased in favor of our opponents. The refs don't want to be the reason Kansas is seeded lower, or why Texa$ misses a BCS bowl/CFP.

Now we are getting somewhere. I agree with this point entirely! Refs absolutely gave Baylor the game vs. TCU in 2014, for this exact reason. Early in the season, Baylor was seen as the stronger team, so for the reasons you suggest, I believe the Conference office called the field refs sometime in the second half and dictated who was going to win. Go back and watch it again if you doubt this. As it turned out, TCU ended up the better team, and the only game they lost all year was the Baylor game that the refs stole from them. The Big 12 refs cost the conference a CFB Playoff spot EXACTLY by doing what you pointed out above, except it came back to bite them in the ass. Great post, sir!

But you also reinforce what I have been saying. If the refs do it for your reasons, they will do it for other reason$ too. I do not believe this only from a Cardinal and Gold perspective. It was most amusing when KU, beneficiaries on the BB court beyond count, got f'ed by refs in football regularly during the Mangino years. Google Mangino complaining about officials and you will see it happens to whoever the Texas Mafia wants to f at that time.

 

[CydeofFries]

If you don’t think we get calls during game, you’re not being objective. We committed back to back PI against Texas in the end zone yesterday. Neither got called and they didn’t score.

I have no idea what calls you thought should have been PI, cuz the two I remember the crowd booing were definitely not even close to being penalties. The deep ball where AJJ dropped the pick, the dude tripped on his own feet, and the other was completely uncatchable and the WR initiated the contact.

There might be another I'm missing, but I thought the refs were fairly consistent with physicality on the WR/TE for both sides.

 

[Urbandale2013]

The rule is inconsistent even within the same game, let across CFB. But people seem to think there is some grand conspiracy against ISU and there isn’t. This fan base already has a national reputation of blaming every game on refs and constantly rehashing the Baylor and Texas games for the next 9 months is only going to further that perception. It looks petty.

Yup, bad calls suck, it they happen in every game and have been a part of football for over 100 years.

This is not a case of sour grapes. Look at Campbell’s reaction and it tells you everything you need to know. There are clearly inaccurate calls being made consistently against one team and even while going through the proper channels the coaching staff cannot get even and explanation of why they are making these calls. No hey yeah we screwed up. No this is what we are doing to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

Until that crap changes you have to understand why people are going to call it out for something funny going on. Is it likely just people incompetent at their jobs yes but the fact that their superiors won’t even acknowledge they are bad gives people a bad taste.

I’m also still waiting for the time we receive and advantage from these types of calls. The only time people can point to is an inconsequential non conference game 10-15 years ago before replay.