ESPN, Fox Open Discussions for Next Big 12 Deal

[Gonzo]

You realize this is only the media money right? Or do you not realize the conference gets money from a lot of other sources? The 50-55M is from all sources, as in the big 12 paid 42Million last year, but only got 22Million from its Media deal!!!!! Is this that hard to understand?

Lol, yes that's my point. The ESPN/FOX media money is worth $32 mill/year per 12 schools. You're making it sound like $50-$55 mill/year is just from media, and then all the other stuff is adding onto that. Lol. Based strictly on the media deals, the B1G will be around $40 mill/year ahead. But you're saying that the Big 12 will only be $25 mill/year behind. So somehow the Big 12 will be making more from expanded CFP, increased bowl payouts, increased NCAA tourney payouts, etc.?

And where are you getting your figures for the Yormark extra revenue and sponsorship ideas? You said that will be worth up to $10 mill/year per Big 12 school, so basically you're saying his ideas for extra revenue/sponsorships will bring in up to $120 mill/year to the conference. Where'd you get that figure?

 

[Gonzo]

You realize this is only the media money right? Or do you not realize the conference gets money from a lot of other sources? The 50-55M is from all sources, as in the big 12 paid 42Million last year, but only got 22Million from its Media deal!!!!! Is this that hard to understand?


Edit: So what I am saying is the 50-55M is the bump from the new contract, from our current one that we get paid a total amount of the mid 40Ms. 45M +10M for the new contract = 55M give or take for the details of the new members the T3 ESPN+ income etc. we will be in the 55M range. to start the contract before any other increases for expansion of the playoff etc.

Big 12 doesn't get paid mid $40 mill/year from your current contract. It gets paid that from the current contract + everything else.

Big 12 starting point is $32 mill/year per 12 schools. But you're saying that with everything else that per school payout will end up being $75-$80 mill/year per school.

B1G starting point is $72 mill/year per 16 schools. But you're saying that with everything else that per school payout will end up being $80-$100 mill/year per school.

So what you're saying is that the Big 12 schools are going to see an addition of $45-$50 mill/year ON TOP of their ESPN/FOX media deal, while the B1G schools will only see an addition of $8-$20 mill/year ON TOP of their FOX/NBC/CBS media deal.

Can you see the disconnect here?

 

[Beyerball]

Big 12 doesn't get paid mid $40 mill/year from your current contract. It gets paid that from the current contract + everything else.

Big 12 starting point is $32 mill/year per 12 schools. But you're saying that with everything else that per school payout will end up being $75-$80 mill/year per school

B1G starting point is $72 mill/year per 16 schools. But you're saying that with everything else that per school payout will end up being $80-$100 mill/year per school.

So what you're saying is that the Big 12 schools are going to see an addition of $45-$50 mill/year ON TOP of their ESPN/FOX media deal, while the B1G schools will only see an addition of $8-$20 mill/year ON TOP of their FOX/NBC/CBS media deal.

Can you see the disconnect here?

Big starting point is $62 mil.

It’s $1 billion year..16 teams is $62 mil

 

[2speedy1]

Lol, yes that's my point. The ESPN/FOX media money is worth $32 mill/year per 12 schools. You're making it sound like $50-$55 mill/year is just from media, and then all the other stuff is adding onto that. Lol. Based strictly on the media deals, the B1G will be around $40 mill/year ahead. But you're saying that the Big 12 will only be $25 mill/year behind. So somehow the Big 12 will be making more from expanded CFP, increased bowl payouts, increased NCAA tourney payouts, etc.?

And where are you getting your figures for the Yormark extra revenue and sponsorship ideas? You said that will be worth up to $10 mill/year per Big 12 school, so basically you're saying his ideas for extra revenue/sponsorships will bring in up to $120 mill/year to the conference. Where'd you get that figure?

Did you notice none of that stuff I added in to the total because those where just guesses.

The amounts I added in where what has been well discussed and well sourced estimates. That have also been added to the Big 10 future estimates that get their future payouts to close to or over 100M.

The Big 10s media deal is not 100M, it is not 90M what they are saying is with everything all in, and post 2026 when the expected increase in playoff money they will be near 100M.

Thus when I say we will be at 55M with what we are getting from the current deal plus the new contract. I then add in the 15M bump to that from the consensus estimate of the future Playoff increase, that brings it to 70M without any other increases. I easily see other increases to bowls and other revenues that will add a few milliion to get us near 75M from there. Not that hard to figure. And I am not exaggerating anything, simply taking what is out there, and what is known or believed and calculating it.

The Big 10 expects to be at or about 100M with a future playoff expansion increase of 15-20M+ I expect the Big 12 will be at or near 75M with a 15M playoff expansion increase. As estimated everywhere. Again the numbers that get the Big 10 to that number includes everything all in, with said increase, this is all I am doing as well.

 

[Gonzo]

Big starting point is $62 mil.

It’s $1 billion year..16 teams is $62 mil

Estimates from SBJ have it at $1.15 bill/year, $72 mill/year.

 

[Gonzo]

Did you notice none of that stuff I added in to the total because those where just guesses.

The amounts I added in where what has been well discussed and well sourced estimates. That have also been added to the Big 10 future estimates that get their future payouts to close to or over 100M.

The Big 10s media deal is not 100M, it is not 90M what they are saying is with everything all in, and post 2026 when the expected increase in playoff money they will be near 100M.

Thus when I say we will be at 55M with what we are getting from the current deal plus the new contract. I then add in the 15M bump to that from the consensus estimate of the future Playoff increase, that brings it to 70M without any other increases. I easily see other increases to bowls and other revenues that will add a few milliion to get us near 75M from there. Not that hard to figure. And I am not exaggerating anything, simply taking what is out there, and what is known or believed and calculating it.

The Big 10 expects to be at or about 100M with a future playoff expansion increase of 15-20M+ I expect the Big 12 will be at or near 75M with a 15M playoff expansion increase. As estimated everywhere. Again the numbers that get the Big 10 to that number includes everything all in, with said increase, this is all I am doing as well.

Ok, so like I said, the Big 12 new media deal starts at $32 mill/year per school. But with everything else and the expected CFP expansion, you're saying they'll be at $75 mill/year.

The B1G new media deal starts at $72 mill/year per school. But with everything else and the expected CFP expansion, you're saying they'll be at $100 mill/year.

So the question is simple... how are Big 12 schools going to see an addition of $45 million per year from everything else and expected CFP expansion, but B1G schools will only see an addition of $28 million per year from everything else and expected CFP expansion?

 

[2speedy1]

Big 12 doesn't get paid mid $40 mill/year from your current contract. It gets paid that from the current contract + everything else.

Big 12 starting point is $32 mill/year per 12 schools. But you're saying that with everything else that per school payout will end up being $75-$80 mill/year per school.

B1G starting point is $72 mill/year per 16 schools. But you're saying that with everything else that per school payout will end up being $80-$100 mill/year per school.

So what you're saying is that the Big 12 schools are going to see an addition of $45-$50 mill/year ON TOP of their ESPN/FOX media deal, while the B1G schools will only see an addition of $8-$20 mill/year ON TOP of their FOX/NBC/CBS media deal.

Can you see the disconnect here?

I never said the Big 10 would be at 80M, I said around 100M.

I said the Big 12 would be about 75M.

That means 25M difference.

Big 12 media deal is 32M add 40M for everything else = 72M
Big 10 media deal is 62M add 40M for everything else = 102M

But it will be closer to 50M for the Big 10. God forbid I short change your little ten. Dont think I ever did, but apparently you were threatened I did, anytime anyone dares say anything of the sort its like the sky is falling., but again I never said that, I said they would be about 100M, just that the Big 12 would be able to stay closer than the Debbie downers believe. But apparently that scares the Hawk folks.

Nearly Half of that 40M may be the new playoff money alone.

Edit; I did too many maths tonight ,,,fixed it

 

[2speedy1]

Ok, so like I said, the Big 12 new media deal starts at $32 mill/year per school. But with everything else and the expected CFP expansion, you're saying they'll be at $75 mill/year.

The B1G new media deal starts at $72 mill/year per school. But with everything else and the expected CFP expansion, you're saying they'll be at $100 mill/year.

So the question is simple... how are Big 12 schools going to see an addition of $45 million per year from everything else and expected CFP expansion, but B1G schools will only see an addition of $28 million per year from everything else and expected CFP expansion?

 

[Gonzo]

I never said the Big 10 would be at 80M, I said around 100M.

I said the Big 12 would be about 75M.

That means 25M difference.

Big 12 media deal is 32M add 40M for everything else = 72M
Big 10 media deal is 62M add 40M for everything else = 92M

But it will be closer to 50M for the Big 10. God forbid I short change your little ten. Dont think I ever did, but apparently you were threatened I did, anytime anyone dares say anything of the sort its like the sky is falling., but again I never said that, I said they would be about 100M, just that the Big 12 would be able to stay closer than the Debbie downers believe. But apparently that scares the Hawk folks.

Nearly Half of that 40M may be the new playoff money alone.

Check your math.

 

[2speedy1]

Check your math.

beat ya to it

 

[Gonzo]

beat ya to it

Lol, obviously not.

 

[Newell]

In 10 years OU will likely not be a "blue blood" any longer, and at least one team in the new Big 12 will be become a "blue blood". Book it.

If OU follows the path Missouri has taken they decline. How far is the only question. Missouri has spent $175 million in upgrades mostly on luxury suites while turnstile attendance is poor.

 

[2speedy1]

Lol, obviously not.

I think we were typing same time LOL

 

[psychlones]

Lol, obviously not.

Dude, we get it. Your team will be rolling in it, and we'll be getting by. Any chance you can stop coming in here and shitting on the deal we have in place, which may not be a windfall but keeps us from being the Mountain West like so many of your brethren hoped/predicted? K thanks!

 

[2speedy1]

If OU follows the path Missouri has taken they decline. How far is the only question. Missouri has spent $175 million in upgrades mostly on luxury suites while turnstile attendance is poor.

Mizzou had big plans for a total stadium reno, that has never happened. They only ended up doing 1 endzone. And the rest was scrapped. Makes you wonder.

 

[Stormin]

Ok, so like I said, the Big 12 new media deal starts at $32 mill/year per school. But with everything else and the expected CFP expansion, you're saying they'll be at $75 mill/year.

The B1G new media deal starts at $72 mill/year per school. But with everything else and the expected CFP expansion, you're saying they'll be at $100 mill/year.

So the question is simple... how are Big 12 schools going to see an addition of $45 million per year from everything else and expected CFP expansion, but B1G schools will only see an addition of $28 million per year from everything else and expected CFP expansion?

The $32 million is the new figure in our media deal for the base inventory. $22 million is the old figure for the base inventory.

We will get $10 million more per school from all sources versus our current deal. And that is with the CFP not expanding.

 

[Gonzo]

I think we were typing same time LOL

Lol, to be clear the money thing is a sideshow unless and until it delivers any kind of meaningful results in W/L. I have full faith in Barta to f*ck it up somehow. I'm just not following your numbers, not seeing any sources for the figures you're throwing around.

 

[Gonzo]

The $32 million is the new figure in our media deal for the base inventory. $22 million is the old figure for the base inventory.

We will get $10 million more per school from all sources versus our current deal. And that is with the CFP not expanding.

Yep, I get that, $32 mill is the starting point with this new deal. Everything else gets added on top of that which is what I think Pollard was referring to with his $50 mill total, which will probably go up further once the CFP expands.

 

[2speedy1]

Dude, we get it. Your team will be rolling in it, and we'll be getting by. Any chance you can stop coming in here and shitting on the deal we have in place, which may not be a windfall but keeps us from being the Mountain West like so many of your brethren hoped/predicted? K thanks!

They will be rolling in it and still be stiffing their contractors, who have to take them to court to get paid, and coming in way over budget year after year besides. They get their big paychecks and have no idea how to manage it apparently. Maybe they need to come to ISU to take a few business and accounting classes.

 

[Gonzo]

They will be rolling in it and still be stiffing their contractors, who have to take them to court to get paid, and coming in way over budget year after year besides. They get their big paychecks and have no idea how to manage it apparently. Maybe they need to come to ISU to take a few business and accounting classes.

Count me in, unless you're teaching it. Lol.