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TitanClone

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I figured that by the optimism in your post, you haven't been beaten down like the rest of us married with children dads, then throw in the fact that you are investing very well and it lead me to believe that also.
Having friends talk about daycare costs alone exceeding their mortgage is good birth control.
 

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What is the math behind front loading the 401k/roth?
Everything I've read is it doesn't really matter in terms of front load vs consistent contributions. I like to front load for no reason other than more cash incoming later in the year feels like a raise. It's like the 2 months a year you get an extra paycheck if your company pays biweekly. Not free money, but instant savings or fun money if you budget around the months youre front loading.
 

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Anyone front load their 401k?

I started this a few years back when my industry was wonky. I wanted to get the cash in the account while I had access.

I've continued this. I front load aggressively for the first two months and then crank it down to the company match for the remainder of the year.

Only guy doing this?
In theory over time, you’re better getting into the market as fast as possible, so I don’t have a problem with it from a dollar cost averaging perspective. What if you get a raise or promotion mid-year though? Does your company have a policy for making up for any lost match in the following year? I’m just thinking of a scenario where you drop to 8% (if that’s your match qualifier)…and then you get a promotion and have to drop to 5 or 6%.
 

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Having friends talk about daycare costs alone exceeding their mortgage is good birth control.
I wouldn’t worry about the cost of kids. Based off what you are doing now, you would be fine regardless. If you want to engage in a fun exercise, run the numbers on what you would be looking at from a retirement savings perspective if you were able to max out until age 55. Then do a second one where you are able to max out for the next couple years and then have to be only at your employer match for about 10 years (then back to maxing out). I think you’re going to find that the numbers look good regardless. The only difference is in the first scenario, you’re going to be giving hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars to your nieces and nephews someday.
 

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Everything I've read is it doesn't really matter in terms of front load vs consistent contributions. I like to front load for no reason other than more cash incoming later in the year feels like a raise. It's like the 2 months a year you get an extra paycheck if your company pays biweekly. Not free money, but instant savings or fun money if you budget around the months youre front loading.
gotcha. i was thinking the return should always about average out. i get trying to "maximize earning potential", but what if market is high in jan-mar and then drops later on?
 

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I wouldn’t worry about the cost of kids. Based off what you are doing now, you would be fine regardless. If you want to engage in a fun exercise, run the numbers on what you would be looking at from a retirement savings perspective if you were able to max out until age 55. Then do a second one where you are able to max out for the next couple years and then have to be only at your employer match for about 10 years (then back to maxing out). I think you’re going to find that the numbers look good regardless. The only difference is in the first scenario, you’re going to be giving hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars to your nieces and nephews someday.
Good. I already worry too much about what my bank account will look like in 25 years. Skip worrying about finances in the meantime is a win. There won't be millions left over, I like to travel.
 

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gotcha. i was thinking the return should always about average out. i get trying to "maximize earning potential", but what if market is high in jan-mar and then drops later on?
That's where, IMO, you shouldn't overthink it. Win some, lose some. Save away and you'll be fine.
 
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In theory over time, you’re better getting into the market as fast as possible, so I don’t have a problem with it from a dollar cost averaging perspective. What if you get a raise or promotion mid-year though? Does your company have a policy for making up for any lost match in the following year? I’m just thinking of a scenario where you drop to 8% (if that’s your match qualifier)…and then you get a promotion and have to drop to 5 or 6%.

I smell what you're cooking. That is possible for sure. I keep a bit of a percentage cushion just in case.

They just put us up to an 8% match this year which I'm pretty happy about. I don't want to miss out on free money.
 

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gotcha. i was thinking the return should always about average out. i get trying to "maximize earning potential", but what if market is high in jan-mar and then drops later on?
You’re going to have to find a different expensive hobby if you want to try to run out of money. Because if you care about personal finance, at some point you’re going to figure out the credit card travel rewards game, and you’re going to be traveling for little or nothing. Not trying to convince you to have kids…just sayin’.
 

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Let me throw some water on this party. The finance guys I trust the most online think the market has another 15+% decline in it during 2023. They think bonds will rebound and yield over 10% in 2023. I haven't dug into the details, that was just their first broad perspective of what they foresee.
 

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Let me throw some water on this party. The finance guys I trust the most online think the market has another 15+% decline in it during 2023. They think bonds will rebound and yield over 10% in 2023. I haven't dug into the details, that was just their first broad perspective of what they foresee.
Same people that said gas would hit $7/gal?
 

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Let me throw some water on this party. The finance guys I trust the most online think the market has another 15+% decline in it during 2023. They think bonds will rebound and yield over 10% in 2023. I haven't dug into the details, that was just their first broad perspective of what they foresee.
I don’t think that’s a problem for most in this thread. If you’re 10+ years out, it’s “stocks are on sale…carry on”. 5-10…it likely doesn’t matter either. Inside of 5 I suppose you might feel a bit nervous that you’ll end up working an extra year or two.
 

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Aspiring CFA here..

I'm barely 30 and currently 50/50 in my 401K bonds to stocks. I relocated a bunch equity to bonds following the September FOMC meeting. Of my 50% weight in stocks, 40% of that is in India and China index funds.

Once the FOMC dot plot starts to meaningfully drop. I will pivot to heavy US equity indexes.

I think EM equities (especially Asia stocks) have the most run room over the coming months. This is tied to zero COVID ending in China and India benefitting from a boom (accelerated by low energy pricing from buying Russia domiciled oil and gas).