NFL playoffs

[Rural]

For instance in the Ravens-Bengals game Dobbins stretched just barely to the goal line and lost control instantly (in the range of throwing the ball at the goal line).

What’s the difference?

 

[Hammerschlagen]

For instance in the Ravens-Bengals game Dobbins stretched just barely to the goal line and lost control instantly (in the range of throwing the ball at the goal line).

What’s the difference?

Is he a running back? Then he had possession. A receiver doesn’t until he establishes himself with the ball.

 

[Mr Janny]

I struggle with that too. I thought if you had possession with 2 feet in the end zone, it's a touchdown period. If someone is running the ball and stretches it across the goal line, isn't that a touchdown even if the ball is knocked out subsequent to that?

The difference is on a running play, the ball carrier has already established possession previously, so just crossing the goal line is enough. On a catch in the endzone, possession has to be established, and that includes completing the process of the catch, so a bobble going to the ground out of bounds causes it to be ruled incomplete, because the receiver never possessed the ball. Nothing that happens in the endzone prior to the establishment of possession matters.

 

[RezClone]

I struggle with that too. I thought if you had possession with 2 feet in the end zone, it's a touchdown period. If someone is running the ball and stretches it across the goal line, isn't that a touchdown even if the ball is knocked out subsequent to that?

exactly. And like kicking the pilon or slapping it with the ball then lose it out of bounds is another obvious example where the TD rules are at least incongruant logically.

As for establishing possession I think everyone is arguing that Chase established possession. To the letter of a messy law? Maybe not. But I think that particular instance passes the eyeball test. U have. 250 lb guy who got BEAT raking at it after the fact. It makes a difference regardless of the letter of the law regarding process of the catch.

 

[Rural]

The difference is on a running play, the ball carrier has already established possession previously, so just crossing the goal line is enough. On a catch in the endzone, possession has to be established, and that includes completing the process of the catch, so a bobble going to the ground out of bounds causes it to be ruled incomplete.

What about completing the play?

 

[Hammerschlagen]

What about completing the play?

Doesn’t have to. When the ball crosses the plane of the goal line the play is immediately dead. Touchdown.
Again, a reception is entirely different

 

[Rural]

Doesn’t have to. When the ball crosses the plane of the goal line the play is immediately dead. Touchdown.
Again, a reception is entirely different

Look at a replay of that, it’s ridiculous.

 

[Mr Janny]

What about completing the play?

In what sense?
For a touchdown to be scored, you have to have possession and break the plane of the endzone.
On a running play, or a catch and run, possession of the ball is already established, so the instant the ball crosses the plane, a touchdown is scored, and the play is over. Nothing that happens after that can invalidate the touchdown.
But on a pass to the endzone, possession of the ball has to be established before the score can occur. And possession requires two feet/knee/elbow/etc. down in bounds, and the ball being secured as the player goes to the ground. The play is not completed until possession is established. So, on the Chase play, he got two feet down, but the ball was not secured as he went to the ground, so according to the rules, not all of the conditions were met to make it a catch.

 

[Hammerschlagen]

Look at a replay of that, it’s ridiculous.

I’ll check it out. I was t really responding to the play itself but rather the rule in question. Refs make plenty of mistakes!
Edit
Yes that is a touchdown 100%

 

[Kinch]

I think a Bengals fan just spoofed the Bills on Wikipedia. I googled the Bills stadium, which is 50 years old. In the opening paragraph, it states that the stadium was built by Joe Burrow.

 

[NWICY]

I still don’t understand what’s a catch in the NFL. Chase has control with possession in the endzone. The ball moves after that. So dumb

Yeah they went to a lot of work to find a way to take away that TD.

 

[Rods79]

Sorry, ball looked secured inbounds prior to Milano shaking it loose out of bounds, and Chase still finished after that. Touchdown.

 

[CyJack13]

Yeah they went to a lot of work to find a way to take away that TD.

Hard to make a Damar Hamlin movie when they lose in the divisional round the first time he’s back in the stadium. NFL has a lot of financial incentive for the Bills to win.

 

[Kinch]

I think a Bengals fan just spoofed the Bills on Wikipedia. I googled the Bills stadium, which is 50 years old. In the opening paragraph, it states that the stadium was built by Joe Burrow.

Wikipedia just took it down.

 

[CloniesForLife]

A TD here changes the dynamic of this game

 

[3TrueFans]

@3TrueFans , you might laugh, but the questions already started this year, given the high number of turnovers he had, and his propensity for commiting them in the red zone. Clearly he's a good quarterback, but he's been held as elite, and if he goes out and loses today, at home, in the 2nd round of the playoffs, and doesn't play well in the effort, you had better believe the narrative on him being elite is going to come into significant question this off season.

I question the notion that he could simultaneously be a good quarterback and not legitimate. Josh is without a doubt a top 10 QB, and top 5 is certainly up for debate. This ESPN-like idea that one game defines a player as legitimate or not is silly. I'd imagine every elite QB has lost playoff games while playing poorly.

 

[CyJack13]

I question the notion that he could simultaneously be a good quarterback and not legitimate. Josh is without a doubt a top 10 QB, and top 5 is certainly up for debate. This ESPN-like idea that one game defines a player as legitimate or not is silly. I'd imagine every elite QB has lost playoff games while playing poorly.

How is top five even up for debate? Allen, Mahomes and Burrow are elite QBs no questions asked. Herbert leads the next tier of guys.

 

[3TrueFans]

How is top five even up for debate? Allen, Mahomes and Burrow are elite QBs no questions asked. Herbert leads the next tier of guys.

I just meant that there are apparently people that wouldn't put him there, such as @Mr Janny . I doubt many would actually put him outside the top 10.

 

[BigJCy]

Time consuming drive for 3 points.

 

[CloniesForLife]

But is Cousins elite?

Also, Bills D can't get off the field on 3rd and long