*** Official #5 Kansas State vs #12 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

ZRF

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Osun needs to play 25-30 minutes tonight. He's been a top 3-4 contributor on a game by game basis, yet plays Robert Jones minutes. If he can't muster more than 20 minutes a game there's a massive problem in there somewhere.

If we control the tempo, seal the lanes (Keyontae dunks), and effectively contest the perimeter we should win this game, even without Grill. KSU has yet to show they can win a reduced tempo game, defense oriented game.

I think we hold serve and win by 8-10 points.
 

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I think our defense has a chance to feast as kstate turns it over on almost 20% of their possessions. Make them pay for turning the ball over and covert on those easy shots around the rim. Hoping for a competent game from BRE, just play within himself and not try to be Hakeem the dream and we should be fine. Need him to be able to weather the storm when shoon needs a breather or catches a couple quick fouls.
 

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Brief rundown of the KSU team and what to expect from each player:
Starters:
Markquis Nowell (5'7" PG) - 5th year senior played 3 years at Arkansas Little Rock before coming to KSU next year. Having an outstanding year, very similar statistically to his sophomore year at ALR. He's been making 3s from everywhere, shoots almost 90% at the FT line on 5+ attempts a game and leads the conference at 8.2 apg. He does turn the ball over 3 times a game - but for someone with the ball in his hands all game, that's not bad. He's small, and can get pushed around - we need to take advantage of the size we have. Lipsey and Holmes will get the assignment and need to not lose him.

Camryn Carter (6'3" SG) - Sophomore transfer from Miss St. Scores about 6 ppg on 32% 3pt shooting. Nothing really jumps off the page statistically and I don't remember him from watching KSU this year.

Keyontae Johnson (6'5" SF) - 5th year senior transfer from Florida where he was out the last 2 years due to a scary heart condition. Big guy at 230lbs. He's their leading scorer (18.5ppg) and rebounder (7.5rpg) and is shooting 40% from 3 (30% in BigXII games) and 75% from the FT line. Not a prolific 3pt shooter, has 6 makes in 7 BigXII games. Can be turnover prone - 4+ in games against tough Ds (UT, TTU, TCU). Definitely a Gabe assignment and should be a great one to watch

Abayomi Iyiola (6'9" PF) - 6th year player on his 4th school, going Stetson->Arkansas->Hofstra->KSU. Started next to Darlinstone Dubar last year. Took over starting for an injured player at the beginning of BigXII play - has averaged 6.5ppg and 5rpg since then. Doesn't shoot the 3 or block shots. Mainly a lob and putback guy - will matchup fine with King/Watson/Ward

Nae'Qwan Tomlin (6'10" C) - JUCO transfer junior playing this level for the first time. Has held his own in the paint, scores 11ppg and 6 rpg. Fun fact - in 19 games he has 22 assists, 22 steals, 22 blocks and 22 turnovers exactly. Which is amazing, but also very good for a post. Has made 11 3s on the season, kind of like Osun in that. He's trailed off a bit in BigXII play, averaging right at 9ppg. He's been foul prone, having 4+ fouls in 5 of 7 conference games. Obviously Osun and Jones will get the assignment.

Bench:
Desi Sills (6'1" G) - another 5th year multi-transfer senior. he played at Arkansas for 3 years, then Arkansas Little Rock last year. Averages ~9ppg. Struggling shooting at 27% from 3. Will take over the point if Nowell comes out.

Ismael Massoud (6'8" F) - 4th year senior, played at Wake Forest 2 years then KSU last year. Averages 5ppg, but has been on fire from 3pt range this year, shooting 49%, including 11-19 in their last 5 games.

Tykei Greene (6'4" G)
- Last bench player is another 5th year senior multi-transfer, playing 2 years at Manhattan, 2 years at Stony Brook and then KSU. Plays ~12 mpg, doesn't shoot much (26% from 3).

Well that was a fun waste of time - is it game time yet?
 

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Just put $100 on the KSU money line at +175. I will more than happily lose $100 for a win tonight. But damn it if I have to witness us lose at home to flipping K State I might as well get paid for it.
 

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Brief rundown of the KSU team and what to expect from each player:
Starters:
Markquis Nowell (5'7" PG) - 5th year senior played 3 years at Arkansas Little Rock before coming to KSU next year. Having an outstanding year, very similar statistically to his sophomore year at ALR. He's been making 3s from everywhere, shoots almost 90% at the FT line on 5+ attempts a game and leads the conference at 8.2 apg. He does turn the ball over 3 times a game - but for someone with the ball in his hands all game, that's not bad. He's small, and can get pushed around - we need to take advantage of the size we have. Lipsey and Holmes will get the assignment and need to not lose him.

Camryn Carter (6'3" SG) - Sophomore transfer from Miss St. Scores about 6 ppg on 32% 3pt shooting. Nothing really jumps off the page statistically and I don't remember him from watching KSU this year.

Keyontae Johnson (6'5" SF) - 5th year senior transfer from Florida where he was out the last 2 years due to a scary heart condition. Big guy at 230lbs. He's their leading scorer (18.5ppg) and rebounder (7.5rpg) and is shooting 40% from 3 (30% in BigXII games) and 75% from the FT line. Not a prolific 3pt shooter, has 6 makes in 7 BigXII games. Can be turnover prone - 4+ in games against tough Ds (UT, TTU, TCU). Definitely a Gabe assignment and should be a great one to watch

Abayomi Iyiola (6'9" PF) - 6th year player on his 4th school, going Stetson->Arkansas->Hofstra->KSU. Started next to Darlinstone Dubar last year. Took over starting for an injured player at the beginning of BigXII play - has averaged 6.5ppg and 5rpg since then. Doesn't shoot the 3 or block shots. Mainly a lob and putback guy - will matchup fine with King/Watson/Ward

Nae'Qwan Tomlin (6'10" C) - JUCO transfer junior playing this level for the first time. Has held his own in the paint, scores 11ppg and 6 rpg. Fun fact - in 19 games he has 22 assists, 22 steals, 22 blocks and 22 turnovers exactly. Which is amazing, but also very good for a post. Has made 11 3s on the season, kind of like Osun in that. He's trailed off a bit in BigXII play, averaging right at 9ppg. He's been foul prone, having 4+ fouls in 5 of 7 conference games. Obviously Osun and Jones will get the assignment.

Bench:
Desi Sills (6'1" G) - another 5th year multi-transfer senior. he played at Arkansas for 3 years, then Arkansas Little Rock last year. Averages ~9ppg. Struggling shooting at 27% from 3. Will take over the point if Nowell comes out.

Ismael Massoud (6'8" F) - 4th year senior, played at Wake Forest 2 years then KSU last year. Averages 5ppg, but has been on fire from 3pt range this year, shooting 49%, including 11-19 in their last 5 games.

Tykei Greene (6'4" G) - Last bench player is another 5th year senior multi-transfer, playing 2 years at Manhattan, 2 years at Stony Brook and then KSU. Plays ~12 mpg, doesn't shoot much (26% from 3).

Well that was a fun waste of time - is it game time yet?
So it's a win?
 

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Osun needs to play 25-30 minutes tonight. He's been a top 3-4 contributor on a game by game basis, yet plays Robert Jones minutes. If he can't muster more than 20 minutes a game there's a massive problem in there somewhere.

If we control the tempo, seal the lanes (Keyontae dunks), and effectively contest the perimeter we should win this game, even without Grill. KSU has yet to show they can win a reduced tempo game, defense oriented game.

I think we hold serve and win by 8-10 points.

He gets tired fast. I've seen him pull himself out of the game several times.

I think at St. Boneventure, he played more because he wasn't asked to expend as much energy on defense.
 

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He gets tired fast. I've seen him pull himself out of the game several times.

I think at St. Boneventure, he played more because he wasn't asked to expend as much energy on defense.
I'd like to see what:

Osun- 20 mins
Ward- 15
Jones- 5 mins

Looks like at the 5
 

clone52

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I'd like to see what:

Osun- 20 mins
Ward- 15
Jones- 5 mins

Looks like at the 5

With KSU's big guys, this might be a good matchup for Jones. I'd sub him in first and you can tell pretty quickly if he'll be decent or not. If not, go with Ward.

With Ward, I think you need to press hard. Thats one of his greatest strengths. He misses team assignments on defense more than others, which is probably why he hasn't played a ton this year so far.
 
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With KSU's big guys, this might be a good matchup for Jones. I'd sub him in first and you can tell pretty quickly if he'll be decent or not. If not, go with Ward.

With Ward, I think you need to press hard. Thats one of his greatest strengths. He misses team assignments on defense more than others, which is probably why he hasn't played a ton this year so far.

I am fine with giving Jones some run and hope he can regain some of his early season play. I really think he's just struggling mentally right now and rushing leading to the missed layups and being a bit late on rotations. Hoping he can have a bit of success vs a good matchup and reset.

I like many would like to see Ward more but fully agree he's missing assignments leading to unnecessary and losing rebounds. His athleticism is very obvious and if it clicks for him he'd be a very valuable player down the stretch.
 

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I never understand betting lines. We are favored over the #5 team by roughly the same amount as TCU at home is over Oklahoma. Kansas State is on a roll, playing better than us, and not missing two starters, but oddly is an underdog. TCU just manhandled KU. I would think TCU by 10 and K State by 3 would make more sense.
 

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I never understand betting lines. We are favored over the #5 team by roughly the same amount as TCU at home is over Oklahoma. Kansas State is on a roll, playing better than us, and not missing two starters, but oddly is an underdog. TCU just manhandled KU. I would think TCU by 10 and K State by 3 would make more sense.

There’s a lot more than thinking that goes in to setting the betting lines.
 

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I never understand betting lines. We are favored over the #5 team by roughly the same amount as TCU at home is over Oklahoma. Kansas State is on a roll, playing better than us, and not missing two starters, but oddly is an underdog. TCU just manhandled KU. I would think TCU by 10 and K State by 3 would make more sense.
The betting lines were spot on having OSU favored by 1 in the last game
 
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ZRF

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He gets tired fast. I've seen him pull himself out of the game several times.

I think at St. Boneventure, he played more because he wasn't asked to expend as much energy on defense.

This has been said (by other posters) several times, and I agree he can get tired, but he can't get conditioned to play more minutes if you don't start extending him. There is no reason, by this point in the season and his career, he shouldn't be conditioned to play 30 minutes. And he will never get there if his body and mind keep expecting to play 20 minutes. Defies logic.
 

ZRF

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I never understand betting lines. We are favored over the #5 team by roughly the same amount as TCU at home is over Oklahoma. Kansas State is on a roll, playing better than us, and not missing two starters, but oddly is an underdog. TCU just manhandled KU. I would think TCU by 10 and K State by 3 would make more sense.

It's arguable Kstate is playing better than us. They beat KU at home by 1 in OT, got routed by TCU, then had difficulties dispatching Tech at home. We've lost 2 games on the road, ones that we led in the last 6 or 7 minutes, by a combined 4 points. Meanwhile we have dominated teams at home, particularly in the 2nd half.

KSU may very well win this game, especially if we don't have a balanced outside threat (and miss ******* FTs), but I still think the odds are in our favor at home. I'd have been much more worried had they cakewalked Tech and had the luxury of resting their starters. Could have been an advantage on a quick turnaround, with us having a tough, hard fought game on the road.