*** Official #8 Kansas vs #13 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

[NoCreativity]

Certainly!

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Yikes, no wonder BRE plays more over him.

 

[Pharmacy99]

Yikes, no wonder BRE plays more over him.

Jones is the best we have at backup center. He is not great but better than other options.

 

[dafarmer]

It's definitely beginning to feel like there's a personal vendetta there, instead of just a harsh but fair critique of him as a player.

Kind of like went Wally S. went after Tyrese not too long ago.

I'm not expecting or asking for Rob Jones to finish up as the Big 12 POTY, but being able to give him at least a little bit of credit here and there shouldn't be too much to ask for. The way ZRF writes about him makes you think that Rob Jones stole his girl in high school or something.

Stole his dog and ran over his girlfriend.

 

[Clyde4cy]

I defend Rob a lot but this is a legitimate criticism. He absolutely has to get better at feeling that double coming and kick it.

Bob’s usage is way to high(behind only Holmes and Osun on the team) despite the fact he has the worst offensive rating on the team. He needs to be a role player on offense not a significant/major contributor. I would guess that having the PA guy announce him as BRE when he enters the game makes it more difficult to embrace being a Role Player.

TJ values what Bob contributes on the practice court and to the team culture. From my view those areas have proven to be the secret to TJ’s success at ISU. I can absolutely understand why Bob gets playing time.

 

[Pharmacy99]

Bob’s usage is way to high(behind only Holmes and Osun on the team) despite the fact he has the worst offensive rating on the team. He needs to be a role player on offense not a significant/major contributor. I would guess that having the PA guy announce him as BRE when he enters the game makes it more difficult to embrace being a Role Player.

TJ values what Bob contributes on the practice court and to the team culture. From my view those areas have proven to be the secret to TJ’s success at ISU. I can absolutely understand why Bob gets playing time.

He is not good but he is the best we have

 

[ZRF]

Man you are insufferable with this schtick. We get it, you don't like Jones getting minutes.

Like signifies that it's strictly a personal opinion o one with bias. Statistically, against Big 12 competition, Jones is terrible. I only repeat once the Defenders come to Bob's rescue, without supporting claims of productivity or that Bob is a useful player.

Maybe you should take issue with them instead.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Like signifies that it's strictly a personal opinion o one with bias. Statistically, against Big 12 competition, Jones is terrible. I only repeat once the Defenders come to Bob's rescue, without supporting claims of productivity or that Bob is a useful player.

Maybe you should take issue with them instead.

No I take issue with someone who is insistently negative towards a player.

 

[StLouisClone]

I agree that some combination of Jones and King are our best options for spelling Osun. I am also okay with passing it into Jones when he posts up as he has he does a good job of using his body to get open and he has good footwork. He just needs to pass out when he gets doubled, or he needs to crash the boards to rebound his own miss. I think Lipsey had a nice follow-up on a Jones miss against KU.

 

[madguy30]

I agree that some combination of Jones and King are our best options for spelling Osun. I am also okay with passing it into Jones when he posts up as he has he does a good job of using his body to get open and he has good footwork. He just needs to pass out when he gets doubled, or he needs to crash the boards to rebound his own miss. I think Lipsey had a nice follow-up on a Jones miss against KU.

It's probably his biggest hang up. ISU HAS to enter the ball inside just like marginal shooters need to still shoot 3s to keep the defense working. More in and out as the timing of the double comes could make a big difference.

There are plenty of players that have some consistent miscues including yesterday (because that's what happens in basketball often) that don't seem to be magnified nearly as much on here and I wonder if it's just not as obvious.

 

[ZRF]

I agree that some combination of Jones and King are our best options for spelling Osun. I am also okay with passing it into Jones when he posts up as he has he does a good job of using his body to get open and he has good footwork. He just needs to pass out when he gets doubled, or he needs to crash the boards to rebound his own miss. I think Lipsey had a nice follow-up on a Jones miss against KU.

Wow, someone who actually points out a positive Bob attribute that's actually accurate. One thing Bob does extremely well is establish the post, make himself bigger (wide stance) and provide for easy entry for passes. After that? It's usually a disaster, and it often starts with his footwork (which is terrible). The combination of porous footwork and coordination is what leads to the plethora of offensive rebounding opportunities (that's not a good thing).

That's probably my biggest complaint with Osun. He has the moves, shot, and footwork to dominate the block but his establishment and "work" leading up to it leave a lot to be desired. At the very least he's wildly inconsistent with it.

 

[Seeclone]

I agree that some combination of Jones and King are our best options for spelling Osun. I am also okay with passing it into Jones when he posts up as he has he does a good job of using his body to get open and he has good footwork. He just needs to pass out when he gets doubled, or he needs to crash the boards to rebound his own miss. I think Lipsey had a nice follow-up on a Jones miss against KU.

How to keep a thread alive^

 

[t-noah]

We get it, we really do. You hate him just as much as Coach ZRF and want to rip his scholarship away and throw him off the team.

Let's move on.

I don't think there is any "let's" about it. He's a troll.

 

[BCClone]

Bob’s usage is way to high(behind only Holmes and Osun on the team) despite the fact he has the worst offensive rating on the team. He needs to be a role player on offense not a significant/major contributor. I would guess that having the PA guy announce him as BRE when he enters the game makes it more difficult to embrace being a Role Player.

TJ values what Bob contributes on the practice court and to the team culture. From my view those areas have proven to be the secret to TJ’s success at ISU. I can absolutely understand why Bob gets playing time.

Bob plays more minutes than Grill and Gabe? I did not know that.

 

[isucy86]

They also took BRE to the woodshed, much like Mizzou did. Every time BRE was in the game they were isolating him at the top of the key and blowing right by him. This initiated a defensive breakdown that was further exacerbated by fouls. King should have been on the floor, but the staff was willing to die with BRE and Lipsey out there.

Your above reasons are valid but we can't control the referees. The staff was the biggest reason for the loss as they failed to alter the manageable aspects of the game. Lipsey should have been taken out and BRE should have been on the bench. Those two things happen we likely win, and do so comfortably.

It wasn't only BRE that TT & Mizzou blew by. They blew by Osun and other Clones as well. Overall, Rob is a solid perimeter defender and better on ball defender in the post and perimeter than Osun. It's pretty tough for any 6'11" player to guard another team's 1-3's out front.

When ISU switches automatically at the 1-5, the other teams coach is smart enough to get their play making guards/wings matched up against Rob & Osun. We did a much better job yesterday of our guards fighting through screens at the top of the key and not automatically switching.

 

[t-noah]

I don’t think it’s Rob’s minutes (we do need them) but more so the shot selection. His post moves of late have not been good.

Bingo! I don't mind him out there, but if he gets the ball he needs to pass more than shoot. I'd rather see one of our guards shoot a 3 at the percentages they're shooting than Rob try a layup at the percentage he is. Then there's the fact he gets fouled and goes to the line which might as well be a TO at the clip he hits those. His roll should not be a shooter.

These are constructive criticisms, and well measured, unlike 420.

Someone like 420, who just recently joined (Monday?) should not be taken seriously, nor is a fan. Not the way he is posting. He's a troll. If he is a fan he needs to act more like one.

 

[t-noah]

That is why it is important for Rob to post up, too.

We are not elite enough offensively to have 1-2 players who are nonentities on offense. We simply aren't. Guys who shoot a lower percentage but are willing to shoot help more than guys who will not shoot. I understand that it is frustrating to see Rob miss. You are going to watch Tamin miss about twenty wide open threes for the rest of the season. These misses are in their own way crucial to maximizing our offensive abilities.

One thing I give BRE credit for are his post moves. Yes, he shoots and misses too much down low. And yes, he now needs to know his place and dish more. But it has opened our offense some when he is in there. Think of what he could be like if he could make most of those, or had better hands? But the defense must still react and defend him.

In contrast, last year you couldn't force Conditt to drive or take a shot. I think TJ really wanted some improvement in post moves and utilization this year.

 

[t-noah]

This thread has gotten weird especially after a dominating win. A lot of “smart” people in here.

Why thankyou!

 

[Pope]

We're only 1.5 seasons away from 2-22 people. In the short time since then, this new staff has:

• Taken us to the Sweet 16 last season
• Taken us to the top of the Big 12 halfway through this season
• Beaten 4 top 10 teams in the last 2 months
• Recruited a top 10 class for next season
• Recruited a top 10 class for 2 seasons from now

In spite of all this, we have a few posters who insist they know more than our coaches do about managing minutes for our players. Amazing.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Just messing around on Bracket Matrix and found this:

Bracket Big Board: Purdue rubber stamps No. 1 seed with Ohio State win

Bally Sports' Brad Evans projects the men's NCAA tournament bracket if the regular season ended today

www.ballysports.com

They have:

1 seed: KU
2 seed: Texas
3 seed: Iowa State, Kansas State, Baylor
4 seed: TCU
11 seed: Oklahoma State, West Virginia

 

[madguy30]

Just messing around on Bracket Matrix and found this:

Bracket Big Board: Purdue rubber stamps No. 1 seed with Ohio State win

Bally Sports' Brad Evans projects the men's NCAA tournament bracket if the regular season ended today

www.ballysports.com

They have:

1 seed: KU
2 seed: Texas
3 seed: Iowa State, Kansas State, Baylor
4 seed: TCU
11 seed: Oklahoma State, West Virginia

Lunardi might dissapear for a while with this outrageous blasphemy about the B12 that couldn't be more obvious for anyone that looks at basic numbers.

Way-Too-Early men's Bracketology: Defending champion Florida returns to the top line

Florida benefited from the transfer portal -- and some key NBA draft withdrawals -- to get to the top line.

www.espn.com