You don’t know either. None of us do. I think I’m being plenty fair. How is my opinion any less valid than the opinion of the poster that literally called grill bonehead? And saying that he cost us the game?
Caleb Grill has been dismissed from team
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You don’t know either. None of us do. I think I’m being plenty fair. How is my opinion any less valid than the opinion of the poster that literally called grill bonehead? And saying that he cost us the game?
There's better ways to get back then costing your other brothers two free-throw and possession. His three other brothers on the court didn't react in a way that cost the team so much. Plain and simple Grill has acted childish the past couple weeks.
If they hadn’t called a foul at all I would agree, but what was TJ supposed to do here? Try to get the officials to make WV forfeit? The officials immediately made the foul call and went to the monitor after the scuffle. They kicked the WV player out, the biggest penalty a player can receive in a game, and then correctly gave Kunc and WV player a double T and Grill a technical for the extracurriculars.
So you think pushing the WVU player was ok then? Caleb just gets a pass? I get coming to the defense of your own teammate, but you aren't going to get away with that. Grill should have kept his composure, the shove was not needed. Maybe say a few choice words and you can get away with that, but shoving, nope official is going to call that every time. And Caleb still hasn't learned his lesson.
It was certainly a bone-headed play coming in and shoving a guy like that, but calling him a bonehead is a bit much.
TJ's style of play is rough and physical and when he asks guys to commit to that kind of all-out effort and defense on every play, it's easy to get overheated. Still, no excuse and Grill did make a bone-headed play that cost us, but it is hard to ratchet down intensity when you're playing at a high effort level.
It was not a foul, Lipsey didn't even remotely touch him. Even Settles was surprised on the call and that says a lot.
Not at that point. I just think that a well thought out technical might help so that guys like Caleb don’t lose their cool later.
I guess the problem is that the players are losing their cool. What’s the solution to that? If someone has a better option, I’m open to it.
The "TJ needs to yell at the refs more" take some people have is wild to me for a couple reasons.
- I was at the game last night and thought TJ was talking to the officials, especially Padilla, quite a bit. Does he need to yell for it to mean something? How do we know what TJ is even saying in those conversations? The coach being angry, because you, the fan, is angry won't suddenly result in a magical fix.
- We are a fanbase who point out how absurd our rival's coach's actions (as well as coaches like Izzo and now Tang at K-State) are, but yet we want our coach to start acting more angrily as well? It feels like a grasp at the smallest straw in the world just because people want to find something, anything that they think will make the team win when there's no proof that it would actually help in any way. Was TJ yelling at the officials more when we started 4-0 in conference play?
Yep, agree. It's pretty easy to tell when in real time as a fan when the team will likely collapse. Has happened way too many times this year.
Jaz. Rob’s gotten worked up.
The entire team was letting the officials get in their heads that OSU game.
Yeah, not a bad point. He's likely playing in pain, which probably clouds judgement at times or his patience. So he loses his cool sooner rather than not letting the pain overtake him. Obviously just speculation though.
The thing is the ref didn't call it in the moment. They had to go to replay and talk about it for 10 minutes before calling Grill for a T. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but in the heat of the moment, the refs initially let it slide.
Its pretty obvious Grill is frustrated because he can't play at a high level and meanwhile his team is tanking. Season has fallen apart and being one of the Senior leaders and best players sitting there watching it burn to the ground is going to be frustrating.
You'd be frustrated too if you are playing at about 40% of your capacity, then add in the grabbing and garbage basketball like West Virginia and Oklahoma State and its easy go see why he's boiling over.
TJ refuses to stick up for his team either so the players are starting to take matters into their own hands.
WV does that on almost every shot. They know the refs look up at the ball and usually miss those. It's coached by Huggy and they have done this for YEARS and YEARS.
That big guy they had with the goggles, Devin Williams, he was like a luchador under the basket, throwing guys around, two-handed shoves in the back, etc.
Terrible.
I didn't see the game either but how do you let Touissant of all people beat you twice in the same season? Guy is one of the worst players I've ever seen in the Big 10 or Big 12 and this defense has been burned twice by him.
