Caleb Grill has been dismissed from team

[IASTATE07]

The thing is the ref didn't call it in the moment. They had to go to replay and talk about it for 10 minutes before calling Grill for a T. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but in the heat of the moment, the refs initially let it slide.

I'm not sure about this. The referee that was separating the WV player pointed at Grill.

 

[3TrueFans]

The thing is the ref didn't call it in the moment. They had to go to replay and talk about it for 10 minutes before calling Grill for a T. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but in the heat of the moment, the refs initially let it slide.

I think they saw Caleb’s push right away, if anything they maybe saw Kunc’s kick out on the monitor since that happened in the scrum immediately following the elbow.

 

[cyclone87]

Did Grill’s give them the possession or did Kunc dead ball technical already mean they get possession? Also, could they have given Mitchell an additional T for taunting. Kind of ridiculous you can Jack someone in the face then go stand over them and not get something extra. Of course it all worked in WV favor.

 

[BCClone]

Did Grill’s give them the possession or did Kunc dead ball technical already mean they get possession? Also, could they have given Mitchell an additional T for taunting. Kind of ridiculous you can Jack someone in the face then go stand over them and not get something extra.

I think both mitchell and Jaz got T's. At that point Jaz shoots his two and we get the ball since the T's offset. Since Caleb came in after those, his follows that so now WV gets shots and the ball.

 

[Cyforce]

The thing is the ref didn't call it in the moment. They had to go to replay and talk about it for 10 minutes before calling Grill for a T. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but in the heat of the moment, the refs initially let it slide.

It's a shame that an elbow to the face gets negated by a sissy little push to the shoulder. Losing possession in that situation is a gap in the rules. That said Grill has been a bone head the past couple weeks.

 

[Urbandale2013]

So you think pushing the WVU player was ok then? Caleb just gets a pass? I get coming to the defense of your own teammate, but you aren't going to get away with that. Grill should have kept his composure, the shove was not needed. Maybe say a few choice words and you can get away with that, but shoving, nope official is going to call that every time. And Caleb still hasn't learned his lesson.

If our team didn’t get in between them there would have been an all out fight. It wasn’t a aggressive push it was get away.

Also you can’t call it the way they did when considering the situation as a whole. You are punishing the victims of a flagrant 2. Independently I can understand why they each got called for a T. I think both were incredibly weak but like I said when you are looking at the situation as a whole you can’t call it like that.

 

[clone4life82]

I think both mitchell and Jaz got T's. At that point Jaz shoots his two and we get the ball since the T's offset. Since Caleb came in after those, his follows that so now WV gets shots and the ball.

Caleb wasn’t the only one that came into the scrum afterwards. A lot of the players went into the area. I don’t fault Caleb or jaz for how they reacted in the situation. If I was in Jaz’s shoes and I got elbowed in the face, your damn right I’m going to be kicking the guy when he’s standing over me like that. And I’m going to be happy my players like Grill are stepping into the situation.

There are so many other issues that happened during the game that had just as much if not a bigger impact on the result of the game that this whole scrum doesn’t bother me at all.

 

[Cyforce]

Did Grill’s give them the possession or did Kunc dead ball technical already mean they get possession? Also, could they have given Mitchell an additional T for taunting. Kind of ridiculous you can Jack someone in the face then go stand over them and not get something extra. Of course it all worked in WV favor.

Agree, the standing over someone that you just put on the ground with a cheap shot is a bitchmove.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

This thread has been open for a lot longer than I thought it would be. I get free speech and all, but this seems really personal attack-y

 

[tim_redd]

This thread has been open for a lot longer than I thought it would be. I get free speech and all, but this seems really personal attack-y

Aren't we all bone heads, technically?

 

[Cyburbbalz]

This is the second game I remember where Grill's temper caused a 5 point swing. He is a senior and needs to be more disciplined than that. He needs to stop fighting. It cost us the game tonight. We had momentum at that time, about to take 2 free throws, and get the ball back. Instead Bone Head Grill gets his own technical which ends up giving WV the ball. Momentum completely switched at that point and we couldn't buy a bucket. Bench Grill until he ages out of college. He is just a liability at this point. He doesn't score, misses free throws, gets technicals at key moments, and can't keep his temper in check.

Yes he absolutely is. I was saying in another thread that if he doesn't get his head straight i hope he moves on after this season.

 

[alarson]

The "TJ needs to yell at the refs more" take some people have is wild to me for a couple reasons.

1. I was at the game last night and thought TJ was talking to the officials, especially Padilla, quite a bit. Does he need to yell for it to mean something? How do we know what TJ is even saying in those conversations? The coach being angry, because you, the fan, is angry won't suddenly result in a magical fix.
2. We are a fanbase who point out how absurd our rival's coach's actions (as well as coaches like Izzo and now Tang at K-State) are, but yet we want our coach to start acting more angrily as well? It feels like a grasp at the smallest straw in the world just because people want to find something, anything that they think will make the team win when there's no proof that it would actually help in any way. Was TJ yelling at the officials more when we started 4-0 in conference play?

1- Look at the difference between TJ and half of the other coaches in the league, especially the more successful ones. It isn't even necessarily about yelling, its about working them, being in their ear. TJ is far more passive in this regard

2- You don't have to like it. But the fact is, it seems to work for those other coaches. As long as refs respond more favorably for coaches who are working them all game, being able to do it successfully becomes a part of the coach's duties

 

[cyups2323]

I don't see how anyone could be at that game last night and not see the differences in the way coaches work the officials and how it affected the game. It just did and if you didn't see it your head is in the sand.

 

[CycloneErik]

It was not a foul, Lipsey didn't even remotely touch him. Even Settles was surprised on the call and that says a lot.

Sitting at home, I fouled the guy as hard as Lipsey did.

 

[Cyburbbalz]

Sitting at home, I fouled the guy as hard as Lipsey did.

Me too. Terrible call!

 

[4theCYcle]

Sitting at home, I fouled the guy as hard as Lipsey did.

I couldn't really see it real time as I was a ways away from the TV, but once I saw a replay on twitter I was amazed. But, we as lifelong ISU fans shouldn't be surprised of those kinds of calls anymore. I'm almost numb to them frankly.

 

[CycloneErik]

I couldn't really see it real time as I was a ways away from the TV, but once I saw a replay on twitter I was amazed. But, we as lifelong ISU fans shouldn't be surprised of those kinds of calls anymore. I'm almost numb to them frankly.

Me, too. I smiled and nodded.

 

[Panther1217]

I don't need TJ to earn Ts, but its obvious in the big 12 that the types of refs we see are extremely susceptible to coaches who know how to work the refs. Huggins probably being the worst example. Like it or not, its become almost required to succeed and therefore Its an area of improvement for TJ IMO.

If the coach doesn't complain about the officiating, the refs do not think they are calling a bad game so yes TJ needs to get more involved.

 

[madguy30]

If the coach doesn't complain about the officiating, the refs do not think they are calling a bad game so yes TJ needs to get more involved.

I need to get this one framed or something

 

[3TrueFans]

If you only read this board and didn't watch the games you'd think TJ was sitting at the end of the bench doing crossword puzzles and knitting. I wonder when the "TJ doesn't talk to the refs" thing started?