I actually think a lot of people have the story because it’s not that bad and there’s no legal issue involved.
Caleb Grill has been dismissed from team
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I actually think a lot of people have the story because it’s not that bad and there’s no legal issue involved.
He doesn't have to prove anything if he doesn't want, but that's what a rumor is.. I'm not even saying any of it isn't necessarily true - some rumors are. Didn't think that was all that controversial of a take.
What would you want your leader at work to do if you were in a bad mental place, still trying your hardest (at least that's what it appears), but not meeting your own personal expectations?
Where would your mind go if, in a meeting large meeting your boss said "jsb needs to pick up the slack, they've been dragging for the last few months"?
People gush about their significant others and then they go through hard times get divorced and there is no more gushing.
Things happen that change peoples feelings.
'Ok guys, before we start practice, show of hands who wants Caleb out. Eli are you raising your hand or have a scratch? '.
Makes sense.
And it’s also an internet message board. I can say as much as I want that I have inside sources with the time and people can’t verify that
Who knows what really happened but I've always found it kind of comical that a coach who is paid a significant amount of money would ever put anything up to a team vote. Take in the information and make a decision that you are paid to make. This isn't Survivor.
And sometimes if the marriage or whatever doesn't work out there can still be a good relationship there, just in a different way.
In a way good for TJ to cut it loose now before it only gets worse as they hit this last stretch.
I don't think this part is particularly true. I think a lot of this stuff has only been the back half of the season, and really started to ramp up when Caleb got injured. TJ was not all of a sudden going to change his tone about him because what would that do for Caleb? He was trying to help the kid out, the kid that he personally took under his wing.
Some of you are REALLY trying to make it seem like this wasn't handled correctly for no reason other than put TJ in a bad light. Which honestly, TJ is the type of guy who would rather be painted the bad guy than Caleb.
That’s not exactly how that sort of thing works. With the football team (where there’s 120+ guys) the coach would bring the captains into his office to discuss the decision/dismissal of a player - after speaking to the coaches as well.
TJ had talked with the coaches, they want the best for Caleb (as do his teammates) TJ spoke with the team, sans Grill, told them what’s going on, the options TJ gave Caleb and what Caleb’s decision was, and the team decided his behavior the last few weeks at practice and in the locker room (and what transpired this week), was becoming a distraction and it was time to part ways.
Everyone wishes the best for Caleb, but this was what’s best for the team to finish out the season and try to right the ship these last few weeks.
TJ’s entire ethos is built on the program being a family. He doesn’t own the players, everyone is part of the family. If a coach doesn’t respect the guys putting in the work then they won’t respect him. This isn’t 8th grade basketball.
Perhaps TJ, knowing that Caleb was an imperfect, fallible human being (like most of us, except perhaps for a few posters in here), was dealing with the issues presented as best he could in the hope that he could help Caleb weather the storm.
Some of Caleb's actions were praiseworthy. To not give credit it where it is due, especially for performance that was easily observed by all would not make sense.
Would you prefer that TJ trot out the specific problems of each player in public press conferences? That would be great for player and fan morale, wouldn't it?
The bottom line here is that WHATEVER course TJ would have chosen would not satisfy you.
This dude was hiding in the vents as this was all going down or something!
Grill was done this year no matter what. He asked the team whether they wanted him around and the majority said it'd be best if he wasn't with the team anymore. TJ probably already knew that answer but wanted to give his players an opportunity to speak on the matter. I think that is exactly how it should be done.
Same bunch of TJ-haters who have relished every opportunity to throw in the polemic. Cyfan should sell shirts for the "TJ-Hatin' Polemicists".
I get what you are saying, and again who knows if any of this is true. But I still contend in any setting like this a team vote is a cop out. You are the coach, you make the big bucks. Talk to your leaders and get a sense of what they are thinking. But ultimately you make the call on what's best for the team, and that's why you get paid millions.
Again who knows if that's what happened here so this isn't necessarily a shot at TJ. I just think "team votes" are dumb.
It was a joke. I realize how these things can work holistically i.e. it's not as simple as 'ye or ne'.
I'd guess you have reliable sources for this?
TJ did make the call to dismiss Caleb, it was either “you leave on your own and announce you’re transferring now” or “you can stick around the rest of the year, travel to away games knowing you won’t play anymore, and we’ll blame it on your back. Then pack your bags after the season.” Grill chose the ladder and the team said nah, he’ll be a distraction if he’s still around.
So either way Grill wasn’t going to be a part of the team next year, TJ left it up to the team to decide what they felt was best for them to finish out this season as strong as possible
