Way too early starting lineup talk for the 23-24 season

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I've posted enough love for Tre King over the year, but do we really want a 6'7" at the 5? (realizing of course some matchups could make use of it for awhile)
I keep seeing everyone assuming King will be our 5. I must have been watching a different game but I saw a weaker post defense with him at the 5 instead of the 4 and our rebounding also suffered.
 

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Milan is the next Niang as much trouble as we had scoring he is our best shooter and will likely start! Comparing him to Grady **** for KU! Same height and same mentality as a scorer.
 

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I agree with you completely that Momcilovic is being a little "underweighted" by the responses so far in this thread. That said, if they're trying to predict what TJ would do , I can see it. TJ so far at ISU has shown a proclivity for tough, strong, defensive players. Momcilovic seems to be the most skilled offensively player we're received as a true freshman since Niang watching his videos and hearing the reports (and of course seeing his rating). I worry that a lanky 6'8" freshman might sit on the bench a little bit under TJ. Not saying that's right, and I would certainly want him out there if I was coach, but maybe that's what these responses are thinking - that TJ won't start Milan because we've already got other solid bigger guys with more defense and rebounding ability in King and Biliew.

I do hope TJ gives up some defense to get Milan's offense out there. We will very likely need it. Will be interesting to see how TJ adapts to this different roster. Hope for the best.
Yeah we were so good at defense we couldn’t score TJ had to play defense because he didn’t have guys that could score. Kunc scored in double figures few times but scored 5 or less several times offense is a lot harder to teach as far as shooting than teaching defense for 25 seconds at a time
 

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The “5” is becoming irrelevant in today’s game. Few teams have a true big man with post skills to punish smaller defenders. And like we saw down the stretch with Osun, smaller guys will just flop when over matched. We double on the post every time anyways so really it comes down to rebounding and rim protection which the combination of Omaha, Tre King, and Milan should be very good.
There isn't one right way. I feel like we had each approach covered in the Elite 8.

Solid Post Offensive Players.
Creighton.
Gonzaga.
UConn

Rim Protectors with Limited Offensive Skills.
K-State.
FAU.
SDSU (Mensah)

Small Ball Post:
Miami
Texas

I look at the centers TJ had at UNLV and this year and he seems to want a rim protector. I'll be surprised if we see King play more than spot duty at 5.
 
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Milan is the next Niang as much trouble as we had scoring he is our best shooter and will likely start! Comparing him to Grady **** for KU! Same height and same mentality as a scorer.
Grady is twice the athlete that Milan is. No knock to Milan, his footwork etc is fantastic. But Grady is a lottery pick for a reason and it isn't because he is a knock down shooter.
 

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Grady is twice the athlete that Milan is. No knock to Milan, his footwork etc is fantastic. But Grady is a lottery pick for a reason and it isn't because he is a knock down shooter.
Yep. Grady was a guard at KU, and will be in the NBA. Someone else used the comparison of Milan to Jared Uthoff, and I thought that was pretty spot on, at least as an incoming freshmen. There's a chance Milan can bulk up, and maybe become Niang.
 
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Yep. Grady was a guard at KU, and will be in the NBA. Someone else used the comparison of Milan to Jared Uthoff, and I thought that was pretty spot on, at least as an incoming freshmen. There's a chance Milan can bulk up, and maybe become Niang.
Honestly, I think him being compared to Sandfort for Iowa this year makes a lot of sense as well.
 

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So one of the worst defenders in college basketball? Yikes!
He is going to struggle with the speed of the game at the college level as a freshman (especially on the defensive end). But being a sniper shooter and a low post option on offense will be a huge help on that side of the floor. The biggest development will need to be Lipsey. Omaha will get downhill, but if Lipsey can be an outside threat with Milan we stand a chance.
 
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"Momcilovic is an undeniable offensive talent and a scoring threat from multiple spots on the floor. Inside, he has good footwork and physicality, seals well in the post, understands how to flips his hips to change the angle of his seal depending on where the ball is, has good use of both hands around the rim, and a reliable jump hook over his left shoulder. In the mid-post, he has an assortment of fakes, pinpoint footwork, and high-arcing one-foot fade-aways over top of contesting defenders. He can utilize all those same weapons – the fakes, footwork, and high-released pull-ups – when facing up and operating off the dribble as well. He has three-point range, is a definite pick-and-pop threat, reliable ball-handler, and high IQ passer. His swing skills are on the defensive end of the floor, where he doesn’t have great natural footspeed, and will need to compensate with his attention to detail." - 247 Director of Scouting Adam Finkelstein

Jared Uthoff and Doug McDermott are some pretty good comps imo. Milan is more of a skilled offensive focused forward like those guys - terrific footwork in the post and midrange and an elite shooter at all levels. He might struggle a bit defensively like Doug did due to below average athleticism and slower foot speed. On the offensive end he's as skilled as any recruit in the country though.
 

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To me, I think Milan is being pretty heavily underweighted by the responses, he's the third highest ranked recruit for ISU in the rankings era and anyone who sniffed the top 75 started at least half the games, with most guys basically starting from day 1. There's definitely a log jam at the 4 but I think it's more likely than most.

The primary thing that's been said regarding the offense is that when more talent comes things will open up, and Milan is about as skilled offensively as a high school recruit gets. Whether or not he starts game 1, I can't answer, but I do think he'll play a major role and give ISU a matchup problem they haven't had the past couple years.

If offensive talent was the main concern holding the offense back (more lowering the floor than anything else), he's a major talent on that end. Never seen anything about his defense as a negative, either, sounds like he's active and buys in on that end and that's often half the battle.
Lipsey, Williams, Omaha, Mommy, transfer
Lipsey, transfer, Omaha, mommy, transfer

Yes I know, nuts. This is also a pipe dream. Switch Omaha and Mommy however you want to see this optically but this is my starting 5 if all goes well in the transfer market.
 

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"Momcilovic is an undeniable offensive talent and a scoring threat from multiple spots on the floor. Inside, he has good footwork and physicality, seals well in the post, understands how to flips his hips to change the angle of his seal depending on where the ball is, has good use of both hands around the rim, and a reliable jump hook over his left shoulder. In the mid-post, he has an assortment of fakes, pinpoint footwork, and high-arcing one-foot fade-aways over top of contesting defenders. He can utilize all those same weapons – the fakes, footwork, and high-released pull-ups – when facing up and operating off the dribble as well. He has three-point range, is a definite pick-and-pop threat, reliable ball-handler, and high IQ passer. His swing skills are on the defensive end of the floor, where he doesn’t have great natural footspeed, and will need to compensate with his attention to detail." - 247 Director of Scouting Adam Finkelstein

Jared Uthoff and Doug McDermott are some pretty good comps imo. Milan is more of a skilled offensive focused forward like those guys - terrific footwork in the post and midrange and an elite shooter at all levels. He might struggle a bit defensively like Doug did due to below average athleticism and slower foot speed. On the offensive end he's as skilled as any recruit in the country though.
Agree 100% on the comps. 6-8, ~200 lbs. Limited on defense put elite offense. The perfect college 4 to build around. Add around 25 pounds of muscle over the next two off seasons and the sky is the limit when you have a great pick n roll PG to pair with him (Lispey).

 

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Thank you. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with how much people are writing off the kind of impact Milan will have. The only guy in that range to not start immediately was Matt Thomas and he started half the games as a freshman!

I get that the basketball landscape has changed but that level of talent is just RARE at Iowa State. He's not going to be an elite defender as a freshman and he may not start but I'd venture a guess that he plays a really big role at the very least.
 

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Sandford was a 3 star rated 178 out of high school. Milan is 4 star rated 32nd overall.
Milan is closer to a McD AA than he is to Sandford.
Milan's ranking puts him in the Wigginton,THT, and Hunter range.
Big 10 6th man of the year award winner this previous season while shooting 34% from beyond the arc averaging 10 points and 4 boards off the bench. Sounds pretty spot on to me.
 

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Not to mention Georges Niang averaged 12 and 4 as a freshman while hitting just shy of 40% from deep (with a shallower 3 point range than it is now).