Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[RonBurgundy]

If playing in Mexico wasn't incremental revenue to the Big12 Conference and it's members, I have a hard time believing Yormark could sell the idea to Presidents and Athletic Directors. The games in Ireland are sponsored by the Dublin Tourism bureau. I am sure the set-up will be the same in Mexico. The game will be sponsored, subsidized and could be ESPN/FOX have agreed to televise.

This. If Yormark thinks it is worthwhile to explore, I find it funny that I should trust whiny ISU posters and their assessments more.

- People forget that this would be a conference effort, not an ISU effort. Whining about losing maybe one home game over the next decade is ridiculous.

- It has little to do with travel by Big 12 fans. This will be driven by eyeballs on TVs in Mexico, advertising, and corporate sponsorships. If our TV partners think it is worthwhile, that is were the money will come from. I have no doubt a FB game in Mexico would not attract many ISU fans to attend, but that is not the value driver.

- Some of these posters need to back away from their borderline racist comments trying to paint all of Mexico as a dangerous place. Maybe travel the world a little.

 

[Cyclone Pfan]

So you think its nothing to buy a group of plane tickets, fly to Mexico, hotel costs, dealing with the cartels, dealing with all the bad in Mexico, (Most people that go to Mexico to a resort, never step foot off the resort except to arrive and depart, because of many things including safety concerns.

This is no big deal?....when comparing to jumping in the family van and heading to JT for a day of tailgating and a game... that is, and should be included in our season ticket package.

I guess I wish I had your disposable income to just add another trip that will cost $thousands, for a game that should be home, and included.

Sure it should only be once every so often, but why? Is Mexico really that big of a boom and huge market that is just itching for some College FB? Is it going to make us money? or cost us Money? After having games stuck on the LHN every time we play there, not to mention all the other slights over the years, do you really think ISU wont get the short end of the stick, whatever it is, every chance they can?

Then you look at Monterrey? What is the draw to go there? Its not on the coast with beaches, its not a famous city with an abundance of culture and sights. Its just another city, and city in Central Mexico.

It's possibly less about fan base access and maybe more about creating another marketable game for a prime time slot? ISU - UH might not be a national draw on it's own, but hosting in Monterrey might bring more attention?

 

[HFCS]

It's possibly less about fan base access and maybe more about creating another marketable game for a prime time slot? ISU - UH might not be a national draw on it's own, but hosting in Monterrey might bring more attention?

I’ve already posted pics of the stadium but it’s even cooler than the Vegas Raiders stadium and our fans went completely nuts over that.

 

[NWICY]

I'm kind of at the point I don't want any of them. None of them are worth much outside of OR and WA, and even then those are damn near like going to Asia. Colorado and Utah are worthless. Maybe the AZ schools I would be ok with...I just don't see any value in any of those pac schools.

I'm pretty much with you the Az schools and Co would be fine but it really doesn't matter if any come or not to me personally. The really money left with USC/UCLA and Wa Or are just looking for the best deal. I'm surprised Oregon is worried they will have Nike money for a long time.

 

[CascadeClone]

But you were saying that the game would somehow mean something to the latino population in the US, because it is in Mexico. I have yet to see what benefit it would be, or how it would mean something more than it being a Circus side show, which after a few games the novelty will wear off.

As far as the number you are saying that is all just speculation, I personally dont think a bit of pandering to a Mexican audience is going to be that big of a windfall for the Big 12, both in money and in fans. I think their may be some increase in advertising for the game, but when you divide that up between the members, it will not be that much, and may not make up for the loss of income from a home game, plus the added costs to the school to attend.

My point with people going vs people not, is that the people that dont go to the games it makes no difference to them where the game is, as long as they can watch it on TV. So in turn the only people it affects in a significant way is those that go to the games.

Tell me how much CyTown will make on a home game weekend, then how much when we play in Mexico with no game home. Tell me how much Hotels in Ames will make, restaurants compared to a home game. Tell me all these places that will lose out on money, vs a huge income day. But it will be great ISU might get a few thousand dollars extra, each year after all the expenses are paid to go.

Lastly, a lot of people on here complain about paying $5 for a few months to get ESPN+, but many of those same people think this is great. But for the people that like going to the games, either losing a game (which we pay a lot for), or having to spend thousands of dollars to go to this is just great. It amazes me these same people go both ways, but then those same people care less because they wont pay for season tix, wont go to the game, and will whine they have to pay $5 to see it.

Well lets just never try anything new, never take any risks, make sure nothing ever changes, and cuddle in the darkness with our distant 3rd place status quo.

BY was hired to grow Big12 brand and revenue, not make sure that the Waco Super8 keeps their breakfast buffet fortune flowing.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

A reporter on the Big 12 network laid out the timeline very clearly this afternoon, 1st comes the Pac 12 TV deal, then the GOR has to be signed. At that point, we will know which schools are looking to move and which schools are planning to stay and go down with the sinking ship. Schools that refuse to the GOR deal unless it's for 3 years or less are looking to move.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I'm still an AS Roma fan 23 years later because I studied abroad and went to games there. They aren't the greatest team and Serie A isn't the best league in Europe. Probably 4th or 5th best team in the 4th best European league. The games are on Paramount + now and I watch them with a subscription.

Do I think it's likely to create a bunch of college football/big 12 fans in Mexico? Probably not. Do I think it could happen for some? Sure. I'm failing to see this monumental gigantic loss people are panicking about. Did Northwestern, Nebraska and the Big Ten cancel football going forward? What happened? I missed the catastrophe.

The big ten also sent the bottom feeder teams over. Same thing for when NFL teams go over, they are rarely the teams really competing for anything because playing an international game throws everything out of wack.

I don’t think there is a problem going for it, I don’t think the circus thing matters as the current public perception isn’t ideal and as HCFS said it is very low risk.

The NFL is only going abroad because they are fully saturated in the US market.

 

[Zyklon]

Someone mock up a luchadora inspired helmet design. Or a day of the dead one.

 

[2speedy1]

- Some of these posters need to back away from their borderline racist comments trying to paint all of Mexico as a dangerous place. Maybe travel the world a little.

Hmm, whats racist about stating facts? Why is it racist to state that even their safest cities have a crime rate higher than our worst Cities? Or are you one that paints everything you dont agree with as racist?

The US Gov issued a travel advisory with varying severity for almost all of Mexico. Is that racist? They reemphasized this warning this spring, and advised extreme caution to anyone traveling there for Spring break.

You may not like it but there is nothing racist about stating facts, I guess maybe you should clarify what you believe is racist instead of making a blanket statement like that. Its only in the news every day.

Mexico Travel Advisory

travel.state.gov

Mexico Crime Map - El Crimen

This interactive map shows violence in Mexico at the municipio (county) level. Homicide rates in your area.

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Risk Map 2023 Analysis: Mexico Cartel War

Read a situational update of the cartel violence in Mexico, the primary actors, and the potential global impact in this intel briefing.

www.globalguardian.com

Visualizing Mexico’s drug cartels: A roundup of maps - Storybench

With the big news this week of the arrest of Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán's, the head of Mexico's largest drug cartel, most of the attention is being paid to actor Sean Penn's Rolling Stone interview with the kingpin in his mountain hideout in Mexico. But where's the context? How powerful is the...

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‘Absolute Warfare’: Cartels Terrorize Mexico as Security Forces Fall Short (Published 2022)

The president disbanded the Federal Police and created the National Guard to tackle soaring violence, but three years later, criminal cartels have expanded their reach.

www.nytimes.com

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Mexico’s Leader Vowed ‘Hugs Not Bullets,’ but the Carnage Continues

The president disbanded the Federal Police and created the National Guard to tackle soaring violence, but three years later, criminal cartels have expanded their reach.

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[helechopper]

This thread is going Spider Man soon me thinks.

 

[Stormin]

First of all, Iowa State might not even be in the rotation to play a "home" football game in Mexico. The money might be rich enough from the Big12 Conference that schools opt-in to play a home game in Mexico.

Second you keep bringing up as a season ticket holder you would be giving up a home game. Even if that was true it might be once a decade.

But remember ISU has been playing G5 road games like the Ohio game this fall. If the Mexico football series is incremental revenue for EVERY Big12 school, that might allow ISU to not have to play G5 road games every other year. So the reality is, as a season ticket holder you might get more home games. Play a home game in Mexico once a decade and NEVER have to play a G5 road game again.

Also think your lamenting the safety of playing in Mexico as misplaced. Hasn't the NFL been playing in Mexico for a number of years? I haven't heard of any issues. There are hoops tournaments played in Cancun, Bahamas, Hawaii, etc. Fans jump at the chance to spend big bucks to enjoy a novel event.

Not wanting to make this political. But you have a higher risk of being shot as a victim in a random shooting here in the USA. Especially Big 12 country Texas. At least in Mexico the cartel assassinates targeted individuals that are enemies of the cartel. Agree that we have no issues playing all these hoop games in destination tournaments. Play wherever.

 

[Pope]

Im guessing as someone that lives in Cali, you Dont have season tickets, and rarely if ever come to a game. So watching it on the tv, televised from Ames or from Mexico makes no difference. And picking up a flight from Cali to Ames for a game or Cali to Mexico for a game is a wash probably too. It also is something to say that you probably dont really care for Ames as a location, and would rather ISU was in a place like SoCal or Mexico because your visits would be better in your mind.

Fact is we season ticket holders will be losing out on a home game, unless somehow they added an extra home game in the years they go to Mexico. And for those of us that do have season tickets, and go to a bowl game each year, Adding another trip to someplace we really dont care to go, is not a bonus for us.

It is a pretty city, But it still is just a city. It still has all the problems surrounding it that Mexico has everywhere. And It still is in a foreign country.

Im not for adding a game in Ireland or anywhere else either, so I am not sure that is a point do dispute me. But as far as Mexico, I dont care to go...ever, anywhere. And as far as losing a game that I spend a lot of money for, at home.. I dont like that either.

Again, Monterrey is pretty, but there are a lot of pretty areas, and cities. Hell look at BYU stadium, Colorado Stadium, ASU stadium, etc. There are cities just the same. But to spend that much money to go to Mexico, I would want more than just a stadium with a small Mountain behind it. I would want other things to see and do, like a beach. Hell what is the draw to go there, for the Big 12? What makes it a huge money win? They like soccer there, not American Football. You fill a stadium in Mexico...big deal, for places that regularly fill stadiums at home too. Who makes the money? ISU wont because they wont make money on tickets, They dont provide the travel or hotels etc, Ames wont make the money, the hotels and restaurants will lose that too. This is not a good thing for ISU, and the fans that go to the games. It is fine for those that dont go to the games, and of those very few will actually pick up a ticket to a game there. No matter what you think it is not as easy to go to/get to a game in Mexico vs somewhere in the US, as a lot of people dont even have Passports.

And as far as Cities in the US, being unsafe. A lot are. But they also arent run by and in a country that the government and police are completely run by Drug Cartels. You can say they arent part of Monterrey but that would be a complete falsehood. The cartel owns everything down there, including many of the resorts. But Monterrey according to Murder rate would be in the top 10 for worst if comparing it to US cities. With several of the local/suburb cities around it being off the charts above event the worst city in the US some more than double, which is St Louis by murder rate.

Saying Monterrey is safe is easy when comparing it to other areas in Mexico, but comparing it to the US it would be one of the worst, and if you included the Metro area it would for sure be the worst when compared to any US city.

Gotta hand it to you for your passion in defending your argument.

Now tell me, if you had to accept one of these, which would it be?

1. Big 12 game in Mexico.
2. San Diego State in the Big 12.

 

[awd4cy]

The English don't have soccer teams.

Ok, football. Do you think anyone over here would care to watch their 3rd or 4th division?

Playing college football games in Mexico is one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard.

 

[awd4cy]

I'm still an AS Roma fan 23 years later because I studied abroad and went to games there. They aren't the greatest team and Serie A isn't the best league in Europe. Probably 4th or 5th best team in the 4th best European league. The games are on Paramount + now and I watch them with a subscription.

Do I think it's likely to create a bunch of college football/big 12 fans in Mexico? Probably not. Do I think it could happen for some? Sure. I'm failing to see this monumental gigantic loss people are panicking about. Did Northwestern, Nebraska and the Big Ten cancel football going forward? What happened? I missed the catastrophe.

AS Roma is still the top level of football in Europe though.

 

[mj4cy]

Ok, football. Do you think anyone over here would care to watch their 3rd or 4th division?

Playing college football games in Mexico is one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard.

I like the vision and trying new things/ideas but agree the football games in Mexico seem to miss the mark.

 

[mj4cy]

I'm still an AS Roma fan 23 years later because I studied abroad and went to games there. They aren't the greatest team and Serie A isn't the best league in Europe. Probably 4th or 5th best team in the 4th best European league. The games are on Paramount + now and I watch them with a subscription.

Do I think it's likely to create a bunch of college football/big 12 fans in Mexico? Probably not. Do I think it could happen for some? Sure. I'm failing to see this monumental gigantic loss people are panicking about. Did Northwestern, Nebraska and the Big Ten cancel football going forward? What happened? I missed the catastrophe.

My son and I are getting more into the Premier League and he just went ahead and adopted Manchester City as his "team". I looked up recent seasons and they've dominated as of late. I can't decide which team I should follow/root for.

 

[Clonehomer]

Ok, football. Do you think anyone over here would care to watch their 3rd or 4th division?

Playing college football games in Mexico is one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard.

Have you seen the popularity of Welcome to Wrexham?

 

[Gunnerclone]

I like the vision and trying new things/ideas but agree the football games in Mexico seem to miss the mark.

Because they aren’t for you and you only?

 

[KnappShack]

Gotta hand it to you for your passion in defending your argument.

Now tell me, if you had to accept one of these, which would it be?

1. Big 12 game in Mexico.
2. San Diego State in the Big 12.

Oh jeez....

 

[Gunnerclone]

FYI…Locked on a big 12 pod has Marchand on today