I mean, its hard to argue anyone who goes 2-22, 0-18 here isn't pretty terrible. That team was finding new ways to lose every game it felt like.
Some comparables between both regimes actually.
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I mean, its hard to argue anyone who goes 2-22, 0-18 here isn't pretty terrible. That team was finding new ways to lose every game it felt like.
Some comparables between both regimes actually.
I love people dumbing this. Please enlighten us with the list of good that Leath did for Iowa State...
Bad team sure but worst...?
Super bad but there were worse back there in the age of dragons.
Looks like the 1970s were bad in ways we can barely imagine until Johnny showed up.
The 2020-21 was bad but would have won another 6-7 games against Little Sisters of the Poor State cupcakes in a normal year that didn't happen because of the COVID restrictions.
That puts it more in the range of a bad McDermott team than 3-24 without the excuse that COVID wiped out all the games they're basically supposed to automatically win that year.
The "oh-fer" Steve Prohm team was basically the basketball version of the 2003 football team (oh-fer in the B12 with an average margin of loss of 34pts) and I don't think McCarney is anywhere close to our worst football coach ever.
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What really happened there? seemed like bubu was in limbo for a long time and then the case was thrown out because the accuser was caught tampering with evidence or something? to what degree was leath involved?
Accuser's Dad was a big money donor. Rumor is he threatened to withhold money from the University if Bubu was allowed to play. So he was cleared and got back from suspension, then Leath overruled everyone.
Yeah, that 2003 football team is the worst team of the two major sports I've witnessed in my fandom. Lowest margin of defeat in Big 12 play was 21. That team was not competitive at all in any conference game. Winning 7 games that next season was an absolute miracle.
Anybody who coaches a team to 2-22 overall and 0-18 in the Big 12 is a horrible coach. Only 2 teams before him have gone winless in the Big 12 in its 27 year history. Also I remember all 3 of Morgan’s seasons well.
Oh I don't disagree. There is no doubt that is the worst season in the modern era and the coach is ultimately responsible for it. I was squarely on the fire Prohm and fire Morgan trains - actually the conductor on the Morgan train.
Ah yes, when Cyclone Fanatic was Fire Wayne Morgan in the days of yore.
And he only got the job after BVDV's targets all respectfully (and NOT so respectfully!) declined...
Kinda. I was starting it up as a message board and where I was posting the inside info, but the season was turning into an absolute blood bath and people inside the program and AD were outraged by what they saw going on behind the scenes. Add in my extreme frustration as a fan, and it took off from there. FireWayneMorgan.com only redirected here, it was never the intent or sole purpose of the site.
I'm not sure what SRS is, but I'm guessing those would be worse teams. I'd still wager that 2020-21 was the worst SEASON, at least as a fan. 2 wins total and 0 conference wins. Even if that team beats the 1975-76 team, I'd still rather have a season with 3 conference wins instead of 2 total wins.
Simple Rating System
It uses game scores and strength of schedule to estimate how much better/worse on a neutral court a team was than the average team during that particular year of college basketball.
Based on SRS, there have been a few (thought not too many) Iowa State basketball squads that were worse compared to their peers that season than the nuclear meltdown 0-19 Prohm team.
I think your last statement about preferring to win conference games is spurious. Schedules weren't set up the same in the 1970s as they are now with so many buy/easy win games.
Here was the non-con for that dreadful 1975-76 season...
Notice the bulk of it is "peers" from other major conferences or mid-major conferences that weren't far behind them (such as the MVC and Metro). There aren't Mississippi Valley St. types there. The 1970s weren't also a period of Big 12 dominance where winning a conference game -- any conference game -- in the Big 12 is an accomplishment given the consistent quality of the teams and brutality of the round robin. That old Big Eight had some clunker programs (Colorado, Nebraska) that others decide to take off our hands.
So, no, I don't think winning a few conference games saves that 1975-76 team. Winning conference games just wasn't emphasized back then the way it is *everything* to us now given the way the schedule sets up and the fact the non-con was made up of actual peers instead of easy-win cupcake games.
We were 0-18 in conference, hard to put lipstick on that pig when the next fewest Big 7, 8 or 12 wins was 2 over fewer games.
After Tyrese got hurt, that was a rudderless team. I don't think Prohm is a horrible coach, he just made bad decisions in building a staff and roster. His recruiting seemed either boom or bust.
See #157 in this thread.
Winning Big 12 games (well, Big Eight) wasn't the be-all end-all in the past that it is now.
Non-cons didn't used to be stuffed with cupcakes and the old Big Eight wasn't dominant top-to-bottom in the way the modern Big 12 has been for approximately, oh, the past decade or so.
Agree that the 75-76 must have been a worse team, but are you honestly saying as a fan you'd prefer the 75-76 season results over the 20-21 team?
