Rocco Becht

[HFCS]

How many backups have we lost to NIL?

Not a backup now, but watching Orange makes me assume a guy like him starting is automatically going to get some cash offers thrown at him...where last year he didn't because he wasn't out there.

My guess is the big money programs will typically want some "prove it" footage vs just throwing money at guys with great measurables and recruiting stars, coaches might get strategic about providing that footage to would be poachers. Maybe I'm overthinking it? I have posted before and I still think Fran intentionally slow rolled his Murray twins to get 5 seasons out of them combined vs just 3 if he played them the minutes their talent deserved, it might have been unfair to the players but it probably benefitted his program.

 

[HFCS]

I didn't find it odd at all. He is a somewhat public figure as coach of the XFL's St Louis franchise. And played in the NFL for 11 years. Rocco's story is pretty unique too, he was very lightly recruited despite being a 4-star.

Also so many interviews are train wrecks because hardly any of these college kids and their families are used to talking live on camera to media. It's probably a breath of fresh air to producers when they can get a piece like that and know it's going to sound professional.

 

[Billups06]

I hope the chatter I hear about Rocco being a leader is true. Something was just off last year and I tend to believe the rumors that HD wasn’t the greatest leader.

During the post-game show from Saturday, Rocco, in his interview, mentioned that the locker room/chemistry this year is palatable (in a good way) and that it often didn't exist last year. Paraphrasing here but was interesting to hear those comments from a player.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Also so many interviews are train wrecks because hardly any of these college kids and their families are used to talking live on camera to media. It's probably a breath of fresh air to producers when they can get a piece like that and know it's going to sound professional.

The interview was awesome. I usually hate interviews with the parents and halftime interviews with the coaches are usually terrible too. Just buzz words and boilerplate BS

Becht actually had some good comments on what the strategy was going into the game. And even understood the importance of the Iowa game the following week, which is good to see considering he’s from Florida and probably wasn’t too familiar with CyHawk before Rocco joined the program.

 

[HFCS]

During the post-game show from Saturday, Rocco, in his interview, mentioned that the locker room/chemistry this year is palatable (in a good way) and that it often didn't exist last year. Paraphrasing here but was interesting to hear those comments from a player.

Even after the gambling controversy it's bad form to throw somebody under the bus as a poor leader so you aren't going to see players and coaches come right out and say this, but with a full year of reading between the lines this is kind of what I gather.

There's also the effect that Purdy might have been such a wonderful leader that it was a real hangover to switch. The way the grizzled vets on the 49ers instantly were all-in for Brock really says a lot and it couldn't have been easy to lose something like that beyond just the QB stats.

 

[CascadeClone]

One other thing to keep in mind - when was the last time we went a whole season with one QB taking every snap and not getting injured? Guys always get dinged. And sometimes they get hurt. Brock got his chance when Zeb went down.

It appears it's Rocco's show for now. But JJ is right behind if Rocco gets dinged. And who knows, maybe by week 9 JJ will have the position by the tail with a fence around it.

 

[OscarBerkshire]

Not a backup now, but watching Orange makes me assume a guy like him starting is automatically going to get some cash offers thrown at him...where last year he didn't because he wasn't out there.

My guess is the big money programs will typically want some "prove it" footage vs just throwing money at guys with great measurables and recruiting stars, coaches might get strategic about providing that footage to would be poachers. Maybe I'm overthinking it? I have posted before and I still think Fran intentionally slow rolled his Murray twins to get 5 seasons out of them combined vs just 3 if he played them the minutes their talent deserved, it might have been unfair to the players but it probably benefitted his program.

Agreed. If you look at Dom Orange's offer list on 247, I am absolutely shocked we got him. Almost every blue blood in addition to literally every single Midwest P5 program gave him an offer. If he continues to ball out this year I am sure he will get some big NIL offers

 

[Cyforce]

Craig McDonald and Isheem are the only two I can think of. And Craig already transferred from Auburn I believe.

They both started here.

 

[Statefan10]

They both started here.

Looks like I need to brush up on my reading comprehension lol my bad

 

[DSMCy]

Agreed. If you look at Dom Orange's offer list on 247, I am absolutely shocked we got him. Almost every blue blood in addition to literally every single Midwest P5 program gave him an offer. If he continues to ball out this year I am sure he will get some big NIL offers

I don't know/remember the whole story, but I believe basically all those programs backed off or pulled their offers.
Possibly even ISU.

Seems we got pretty lucky to get him on campus. If he has the year we're expecting, hope we can keep him.

 

[Malty Flannel]

Not a backup now, but watching Orange makes me assume a guy like him starting is automatically going to get some cash offers thrown at him...where last year he didn't because he wasn't out there.

My guess is the big money programs will typically want some "prove it" footage vs just throwing money at guys with great measurables and recruiting stars, coaches might get strategic about providing that footage to would be poachers. Maybe I'm overthinking it? I have posted before and I still think Fran intentionally slow rolled his Murray twins to get 5 seasons out of them combined vs just 3 if he played them the minutes their talent deserved, it might have been unfair to the players but it probably benefitted his program.

This was my takeaway from the FSU vs LSU game. Lots of studs on those 2 teams were top players that were poached from other P5 teams. IIRC the stud receiver that dominated for FSU was at Mich St last year. I worry alot more about guys like Orange, Onyedim, Brahmer, Norton, etc jumping ship for a richer P5 team after a good year at ISU

 

[HFCS]

This was my takeaway from the FSU vs LSU game. Lots of studs on those 2 teams were top players that were poached from other P5 teams. IIRC the stud receiver that dominated for FSU was at Mich St last year. I worry alot more about guys like Orange, Onyedim, Brahmer, Norton, etc jumping ship for a richer P5 team after a good year at ISU

I think it may be the sad reality...some of those transfers will end up sitting though. For guys that aren't NFL bound I guess that's their football career payday.

The red shirt strategy and playing freshman strategy is no longer just about getting somebody a year of experience and strength room, it's a little bit of holding your poker cards.

 

[nrg4isu]

This was my takeaway from the FSU vs LSU game. Lots of studs on those 2 teams were top players that were poached from other P5 teams. IIRC the stud receiver that dominated for FSU was at Mich St last year. I worry alot more about guys like Orange, Onyedim, Brahmer, Norton, etc jumping ship for a richer P5 team after a good year at ISU

I think it may be the sad reality...some of those transfers will end up sitting though. For guys that aren't NFL bound I guess that's their football career payday.

The red shirt strategy and playing freshman strategy is no longer just about getting somebody a year of experience and strength room, it's a little bit of holding your poker cards.

It also means that teams like FSU & LSU will recruit less from high school, leaving us with the ability to get better young players.

All of these things might be true and yet mostly imperceptible because the effect is so small. Only time will really tell.

 

[ISUcyclones11]

Not a backup now, but watching Orange makes me assume a guy like him starting is automatically going to get some cash offers thrown at him...where last year he didn't because he wasn't out there.

My guess is the big money programs will typically want some "prove it" footage vs just throwing money at guys with great measurables and recruiting stars, coaches might get strategic about providing that footage to would be poachers. Maybe I'm overthinking it? I have posted before and I still think Fran intentionally slow rolled his Murray twins to get 5 seasons out of them combined vs just 3 if he played them the minutes their talent deserved, it might have been unfair to the players but it probably benefitted his program.

Sucks that we have to worry about that now whenever a young player is good.

Ultimately best thing to do is try and put that away and whatever happens later will happen.

 

[stewart092284]

How many backups have we lost to NIL?

Oh god, at quarterback? Maybe not just to NIL but in the last 5 years? 4 or 5?


Aidan Bouman (2023)
Devon Moore (2018)
Re-al Mitchell (2018)
Another kid who I think was #4 and went to South Dakota State, I think he started at OSU or something like that. Didn't play a ton , right about the time Purdy took over.

And non of them had the offers out there that we were competing against this time. So we've lost essentially the backup almost every off-season or at worst #3. within the last 5 years

 

[stewart092284]

It also means that teams like FSU & LSU will recruit less from high school, leaving us with the ability to get better young players.

All of these things might be true and yet mostly imperceptible because the effect is so small. Only time will really tell.

Uh, no? They'll still take the 4-5 star kids. That's not changing. They'll just have less walk ons and less "filler" talent. and less upper 3 stars.

What is going to happen is smaller colleges become the minor leagues. LSU, Ohio State, etc, fill their needs with ready made players from smaller Power 5 schools or non-power 5 schools.

Those power 5 schools recruit a high school kid, develop him, and then when he's a junior, Alabama comes in with a million dollars or whatever it is and those 2-3 years developing that kid into a high level college player.

Jordan Addison at Pitt comes to mind.
Trent Dilfer at UAB went on a rant over the summer talking about this very thing.

 

[DSMCy]

Oh god, at quarterback? Maybe not just to NIL but in the last 5 years? 4 or 5?


Aidan Bouman (2023)
Devon Moore (2018)
Re-al Mitchell (2018)
Another kid who I think was #4 and went to South Dakota State, I think he started at OSU or something like that. Didn't play a ton , right about the time Purdy took over.

And non of them had the offers out there that we were competing against this time. So we've lost essentially the backup almost every off-season or at worst #3. within the last 5 years

Zeb Noland
Went to North Dakota State and then actually used his covid year to play at South Carolina.
It was actually kind of a cool story. He was a GA at SC, their QB got hurt and Zeb took over at QB.

 

[stewart092284]

One other thing to keep in mind - when was the last time we went a whole season with one QB taking every snap and not getting injured? Guys always get dinged. And sometimes they get hurt. Brock got his chance when Zeb went down.

It appears it's Rocco's show for now. But JJ is right behind if Rocco gets dinged. And who knows, maybe by week 9 JJ will have the position by the tail with a fence around it.

Purdy for two seasons, other than garbage time.

 

[stewart092284]

Zeb Noland
Went to North Dakota State and then actually used his covid year to play at South Carolina.
It was actually kind of a cool story. He was a GA at SC, their QB got hurt and Zeb took over at QB.

That's right , I remember that happening at South Carolina as the GA to QB. I just couldn't remember his name

 

[Statefan10]

Oh god, at quarterback? Maybe not just to NIL but in the last 5 years? 4 or 5?


Aidan Bouman (2023)
Devon Moore (2018)
Re-al Mitchell (2018)
Another kid who I think was #4 and went to South Dakota State, I think he started at OSU or something like that. Didn't play a ton , right about the time Purdy took over.

And non of them had the offers out there that we were competing against this time. So we've lost essentially the backup almost every off-season or at worst #3. within the last 5 years

We didn’t lose a single one of those guys to NIL though and every one of them went down a level.