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RagingCloner

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It was all a show by the state of Iowa, what a waste of EVERYONES time and energy. Just like I said from the beginning give them the $645 underage gambling ticket. and move on. The "tampering" has nothing to do with gambling per Iowa Code.
This says Dekkers is a current cyclone. He is not still able to come back is he?
 

MJ29

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This says Dekkers is a current cyclone. He is not still able to come back is he?

Has his NCAA punishment been announced yet? I think that might determine his future. Although I'd be very surprised to see him back in a Cyclones uniform regardless.
 

CyPack

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The NCAA penalty for betting on games for your own school let alone for your own team is permanent suspension. I believe thats what was announced for Hanika, not sure why no one else has been announced yet.
 
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Land Grant

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I'd love to get a summary of the public resources that went into this. What an absolute waste. It's just as likely that the expenditures will prove to be reasonable and in line with the number of suspects/charges.
Why is it a waste? Because you don't like your fanboy crushes called on their stupidity?

Its just as likely that investigation expenditures were in-line with the alleged crimes. Some of you act like the DCI put every agent on this case 24/7. The reason this became so high profile had little to do with them. Its because: 1) sports gambling is a hot topic nationwide, and 2) these college athletes are the closest thing the state of Iowa has to famous people.
 

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You do understand how plea bargaining works, right?

Defense attorneys don't just belly up to the bar and plop down a guilty plea. It is their job (and actually their ethical and professional mandate) to poke holes wherever they may in the State's case.

If the state fails to do the work necessary to gather the evidence in a Constitutional manner, then the defense attorney won't be telling his client "hey kid just plead guilty to that unsupported charge because it will save time", especially where there are NCAA implications.

And anybody who believes whatever a defense attorney spouts, especially in a self-congratulatory press release--I've got this bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

I personally would opine (which aint worth much) , however, that this is a fair resolution of the matter.

But this works both ways. Prosecutors often over-charge to push a guilty plea because no one wants to take the gamble on the higher charge. The tampering charge was pretty extreme
 

CloneLawman

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Wherever I go, there I am.
But this works both ways. Prosecutors often over-charge to push a guilty plea because no one wants to take the gamble on the higher charge. The tampering charge was pretty extreme
And I can respect that opinion.

But it does work both ways. Asking prosecutors to give up all leverage is just as unfair to the process as asking Defense counsel not to zealously advocate and pull out all stops on defense.

My personal opinion, with which I'm sure you disagree, is that the tampering charge was not inappropriately extreme. I disagree with the defense counsel's public statement that there was no chance the prosecutors could have proven the elements of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. I base that on the language of the statute and the cases which have considered it.

I guess my main point is that it is not so black and white as the defense attorney's statement. A DCI agent filed a criminal complaint on 8/1/23. The defense waived the preliminary hearing on August 21st, rather than contesting the existence of probable cause. Story County NEVER filed a Trial Information (which is what is commonly used in Iowa in place of a grand jury). Story County filed a Motion to Amend the Complaint on September 6, 2023. I think this was done with an eye towards a just result. I do understand that there was a lapse in time from the spring until the Story County prosecutor took action, but I think people are blowing what happened here well out of proportion.

I wholeheartedly agree that there have been prosecutors who have engaged in horrible excesses in charging defendants and in other actions. I don't give them a free pass. I simply don't think that what happened here was all that unusual nor do I think it was truly excessive. And I understand many on here probably don't agree with me.
 
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PlanetIState

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The book(s) software discovered people logged into the app from inside athletic facilites and turned it over to the DCI to investigate as their licenses say they have to.

There's no conspiracy here.
But somebody must have requested/ordered the books to look into betting activity within the facilities. If not, and the books just did it on their own, then why aren't the books doing the same thing in other states?
 

Drew0311

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How are the books only finding Iowa State and Iowa Athletes? Do the books look at other states? Do the books only look at Iowa? Strange
 

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But somebody must have requested/ordered the books to look into betting activity within the facilities. If not, and the books just did it on their own, then why aren't the books doing the same thing in other states?
I have no idea what the conditions of licensure are in other states. That's part of keeping your license to operate in Iowa.
 
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