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I don't think we really know how good Oklahoma is yet. Oklahoma has beaten Arkansas State, SMU, Tulsa, and Cincinnati. Cincinnati lost to Miami of Ohio at home the same week we lost to Ohio. I doubt Miami is half the team Ohio is in the MAC this year.

This coaching staff normally plays everyone close. It is going to be tough in Norman for this young team, but we have seen stranger things happen.
 

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I think there are absolutely reasons to be hopeful. I tried to preface my prior comments with the context that route trees, play calling, development, and separation were our problems, not purely a raw talent deficit. While I do think we lack some depth in the WR room, the route trees were a bit more crisp against OSU and the play calling was clearly better. I'd like to see continued development because quite frankly I don't think even the coaches know what we have for talent with that group because they haven't been developed over the past few years.

The staff loves the idea of establishing the running game to open up the passing game as this also helps limit possessions and control the game. However, I think there is some recognition that we may need to switch things around and get some 10-15 yard passing game established to open up the run game. We just don't have the line to come out of the gate and run up the middle 2 out of every 3 downs.
Appreciate your thoughts and am hopeful that the staff continues to try and see what they have in the WR room and doesn't fall back on using 2 and 3 TE formations. I understand that this fundamentally goes against everything Campbell has liked to do really the whole time he's been here. But at some point, enough is enough. Get the ball into the hands of playmakers, and if the TE's aren't your playmakers, then get them outta there. The TE's haven't been particularly helpful in the blocking game either, which is a primary reason for you to use so many at once.
 
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20 point underdog to OU tells you everything.

Vegas is saying offense is not going to score. :D
 

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I don't think we really know how good Oklahoma is yet. Oklahoma has beaten Arkansas State, SMU, Tulsa, and Cincinnati. Cincinnati lost to Miami of Ohio at home the same week we lost to Ohio. I doubt Miami is half the team Ohio is in the MAC this year.

This coaching staff normally plays everyone close. It is going to be tough in Norman for this young team, but we have seen stranger things happen.
A win this weekend would not be as surprising as going in there 6 years ago with a 3rd string walk on QB and beating a top 10 OU with Baker Mayfield and Hollywood Brown, that's for sure.

All the same, not counting on it. Too much history in this series, and too little evidence yet that we have turned a corner offensively. And agree, impossible to really take too much away from what OU has done this year. They look good on paper, but have played no one of note.
 

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Our 3 hardest games remaining are OU, Texas and KSU. The rest of the games are at home or against mediocre to bad teams so I think we should have a shot at all of those.

For the 3 toughest the optimist in me says:

OU hasn't played anyone that great yet and is looking ahead to Texas so maybe we surprise them.

Texas is at home and in November so hopefully it is nice and cold for them. Hopefully they're undefeated and over confident going into this one.

KSU probably our toughest game since it is on the road. We played them tough last year and hopefully the offense keeps improving throughout the year.
 

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Was great yo see the win.

But I still am frustrated that we passed 38 time for 348 yards (9.2 yards per pass) and ran 34 times for 74 yards (2.2 yards per rush). With that huge disparity in the success of the two types of plays the Cyclones need to be passing on more that 53 percent of the plays, in my opinion. Not 100 percent but 60-70 or 75 percent?

And against Ohio we rushed 23 times for 38 yards 1.7 per rush) and passed 24 times for 233 yards (9.7 yards per pass). And again 50 percent rush-pass!

Now I admit that I'm not smart but it seems obvious to me from the results that we need to pass more!
 

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Our 3 hardest games remaining are OU, Texas and KSU. The rest of the games are at home or against mediocre to bad teams so I think we should have a shot at all of those.

For the 3 toughest the optimist in me says:

OU hasn't played anyone that great yet and is looking ahead to Texas so maybe we surprise them.

Texas is at home and in November so hopefully it is nice and cold for them. Hopefully they're undefeated and over confident going into this one.

KSU probably our toughest game since it is on the road. We played them tough last year and hopefully the offense keeps improving throughout the year.

Nailed it. All I have to add is that outside of TCU last year, CMC is in every game. So lets see how it goes next weekend.
 
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Was great yo see the win.

But I still am frustrated that we passed 38 time for 348 yards (9.2 yards per pass) and ran 34 times for 74 yards (2.2 yards per rush). With that huge disparity in the success of the two types of plays the Cyclones need to be passing on more that 53 percent of the plays, in my opinion. Not 100 percent but 60-70 or 75 percent?

And against Ohio we rushed 23 times for 38 yards 1.7 per rush) and passed 24 times for 233 yards (9.7 yards per pass). And again 50 percent rush-pass!

Now I admit that I'm not smart but it seems obvious to me from the results that we need to pass more!
in the williams and blum pod this week, CW said the same thing, and also that it feels like the coaching staff has recognized what is working and what is not. Purely speculation, but at 9 yards/play why would you not try and throw the ball 70-80% of the time? Especially since Rocco proved he is capable
 

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CMC is not in every game or in the last seven years, it is because of John Heacocks defense that keeps the game close.
I dont know if you knew this or not, but typically, head coaches choose who they hire for coordinators...therefore, CMC coached teams are in every game, other than TCU last year
 

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I dont know if you knew this or not, but typically, head coaches choose who they hire for coordinators...therefore, CMC coached teams are in every game, other than TCU last year
anyone who is not a CMC homer , can see the success of this era of football, is because of John Heacock. Some would say that the stubbornness of CMC not change up the offense has led to the insane close loses the last seven years.
 

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anyone who is not a CMC homer , can see the success of this era of football, is because of John Heacock. Some would say that the stubbornness of CMC not change up the offense has led to the insane close loses the last seven years.
I am far from a CMC homer. I agree that his stubbornness offensively probably cost us several wins over the last few years. But common sense says you cant blame CMC for poor offense schemes, then in the same breath not give him some credit for the defense schemes. By definition, he oversees both
 

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Appreciate your thoughts and am hopeful that the staff continues to try and see what they have in the WR room and doesn't fall back on using 2 and 3 TE formations. I understand that this fundamentally goes against everything Campbell has liked to do really the whole time he's been here. But at some point, enough is enough. Get the ball into the hands of playmakers, and if the TE's aren't your playmakers, then get them outta there. The TE's haven't been particularly helpful in the blocking game either, which is a primary reason for you to use so many at once.

It seems like an odd comparison to make, but we're in a very similar position to Clemson. They let the game move beyond what their philosophy was and brought in a new OC to correct things. However, Dabo insisted they run the same style and put some very clear guardrails in place that Riley wasn't allowed to go outside of. CMC made that same move. Both are quickly finding out that the name of the OC doesn't matter if you're forcing them to do the same thing as before.