Has anyone purchased a new vehicle lately, the prices are off the wall.

[BCClone]

@besserheimerphat

Truckers won’t be happy with 500 mile capacity. First that’s 7 hours at 70 mph on the interstate. Second, they have to shut down after so many hours, they’d have to coordinate that with charging stations.

Also,many companies run tag teams. So that truck can go close to 1000 miles before stopping.

 

[RagingCloner]

Truckers won’t be happy with 500 mile capacity. First that’s 7 hours at 70 mph on the interstate. Second, they have to shut down after so many hours, they’d have to coordinate that with charging stations.

Also,many companies run tag teams. So that truck can go close to 1000 miles before stopping.

Currently, a driver can drive for 11 hours. The megawatt charging capabilities probably afford the driver the luxury of charging to 80-90% during their mandatory 30 minute break as well. Plus, they aren’t stopping 2-3 times a day and spending 20 minutes filling those massive tanks. Tell an owner-operator that they don’t have to pay $800 in fuel a day, and you won’t be able to keep them out of the EV version. Typically that’s for OTR truckers though, the guys that just run locally probably will hate the EV

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Just like the government would never force you to stop using gas ranges, or gas furnaces, or incandescent light bulbs. It would be a ridiculous overreach!

There are some breakthroughs still needed regarding range vs change time and cold-weather efficiency before EVs are practical in the middle of the country, but we certainly seem to be going in that direction.

I guess I missed the law being passed that said we could no longer purchase gas ranges and gas furnaces. When does it go into effect?

You do know that was from a paper written by the government and was indorsed by no one.
You got the bulb right though. One out of three, if you are in MLB, you are making millions as a hitter.

 

[BCClone]

Currently, a driver can drive for 11 hours. The megawatt charging capabilities probably afford the driver the luxury of charging to 80-90% during their mandatory 30 minute break as well. Plus, they aren’t stopping 2-3 times a day and spending 20 minutes filling those massive tanks. Tell an owner-operator that they don’t have to pay $800 in fuel a day, and you won’t be able to keep them out of the EV version. Typically that’s for OTR truckers though, the guys that just run locally probably will hate the EV

They can drive 11 hours but their tanks would hold roughly 200 gallon and at 7-9 mpg that is 1400-1800 miles on their fuel. So I’m not sure where the 2-3 times a day to fuel up is happening.

 

[herbicide]

Currently, a driver can drive for 11 hours. The megawatt charging capabilities probably afford the driver the luxury of charging to 80-90% during their mandatory 30 minute break as well. Plus, they aren’t stopping 2-3 times a day and spending 20 minutes filling those massive tanks. Tell an owner-operator that they don’t have to pay $800 in fuel a day, and you won’t be able to keep them out of the EV version. Typically that’s for OTR truckers though, the guys that just run locally probably will hate the EV

I think it’s the other way around; local runners would reap more benefits than long distance OTR

 

[Bob f]

Vehicles like everything else right now are over priced. So much delusion towards the end of this thread. To the cave...go!

 

[KnappShack]

As a whole, there will never be more 100% electric vehicles than gas. Ever. Sure, current areas of the country have it now, but again, as a whole, electric will never be the majority. Politics aside, it will never work. GM has turned Buick into an electric only franchise starting in 2024, and they have more dealers selling the franchise back to the manufacturer than setting up the infrastructure to be able to sell/fix them. By this time next year, the Buick line may just be gone. Try telling GM that electric is still a good idea, after they will have lost millions on trying to make Buick 100% electric

Buick only survived the last round of cuts because of Chinese consumers

"So how does this brand that seems to be completely failing in North America keep itself afloat and how did it survive when General Motors was letting go of the likes of Pontiac? The answer is simpler than you would think. The Chinese market absolutely adores Buick."

The Only Reason Why The Buick Brand Is Still Alive

The key to the forgotten American automaker's survival comes from the unlikeliest of places, where Buicks are actually considered cool

www.topspeed.com

 

[cyclonesurveyor]

My 89 YO mother had a 2016(?) Honda Fit last year that had less than 30k miles. She decided to quit driving and you'd think she was holding some rare pink diamond. I was happy to find someone in the family that needed a car.

Honda Fit is the **** if you are not driving in the snow. so much room

 

[besserheimerphat]

Truckers won’t be happy with 500 mile capacity. First that’s 7 hours at 70 mph on the interstate. Second, they have to shut down after so many hours, they’d have to coordinate that with charging stations.

Also,many companies run tag teams. So that truck can go close to 1000 miles before stopping.

How many trucks do you see running 70mph? Most will have their trucks electronically limited to 68mph. Both for fuel and liability. They already have to coordinate with fuel stations, so swapping diesel pumps for megawatt chargers isn't a big change.

There aren't that many tag-team truck operations. Yea they are out there, but they are a small portion of the entire truck market.

So far, BEV semi performance is matching or exceeding diesel. Our test drivers love them because they are fast loaded to 80k lbs or empty.

 

[besserheimerphat]

I think it’s the other way around; local runners would reap more benefits than long distance OTR

Yes, just like with personal vehicles the short trips will make the most sense initially.

 

[besserheimerphat]

Last bit on trucks. Drivers can be "on duty" for 14 hours. Of those 14 hours, up to 11 can be spent actually driving the vehicle. They have to take minimum length breaks during the day, which could be coordinated fairly easily with charging - just like they already do for fuel stops.

 

[besserheimerphat]

Ok I lied. One thing we have noticed is that regenerative braking has been nearly 100% efficient. So you use a significant portion of the high voltage batteries' power to climb a hill, then get almost all of it back when you descend the other side. It's not 100%, but it's close enough that it looks that way on the "fuel" gauge in the dash.

This actually can present some unique challenges. If a driver pulls over and recharges at the top of a grade, what do you do with any excess charge as he descends? You have to be careful you don't overcharge the battery, but the regenerative braking is needed to control the vehicle like an exhaust brake. There are solutions, but it's not something we had to worry about before.

 

[RagingCloner]

Ok I lied. One thing we have noticed is that regenerative braking has been nearly 100% efficient. So you use a significant portion of the high voltage batteries' power to climb a hill, then get almost all of it back when you descend the other side. It's not 100%, but it's close enough that it looks that way on the "fuel" gauge in the dash.

This actually can present some unique challenges. If a driver pulls over and recharges at the top of a grade, what do you do with any excess charge as he descends? You have to be careful you don't overcharge the battery, but the regenerative braking is needed to control the vehicle like an exhaust brake. There are solutions, but it's not something we had to worry about before.

Honestly, if they probably aren’t charging to 100% though correct? Probably charging to 90%, so there is no wear or excess charge on the battery

 

[dmclone]

Ok I lied. One thing we have noticed is that regenerative braking has been nearly 100% efficient. So you use a significant portion of the high voltage batteries' power to climb a hill, then get almost all of it back when you descend the other side. It's not 100%, but it's close enough that it looks that way on the "fuel" gauge in the dash.

This actually can present some unique challenges. If a driver pulls over and recharges at the top of a grade, what do you do with any excess charge as he descends? You have to be careful you don't overcharge the battery, but the regenerative braking is needed to control the vehicle like an exhaust brake. There are solutions, but it's not something we had to worry about before.

The same that happens in a tesla vehicles today. The software manages regenerative braking and if the battery is too full, the normal brakes will mimic the regenerative braking but won't actually be charging the battery until it's safe to do so. Also, I would assume that the manufacturer would recommend not charging to 100% or fake it (Say you're at 100% but really at 90%)

 

[Sousaclone]

Ok I lied. One thing we have noticed is that regenerative braking has been nearly 100% efficient. So you use a significant portion of the high voltage batteries' power to climb a hill, then get almost all of it back when you descend the other side. It's not 100%, but it's close enough that it looks that way on the "fuel" gauge in the dash.

This actually can present some unique challenges. If a driver pulls over and recharges at the top of a grade, what do you do with any excess charge as he descends? You have to be careful you don't overcharge the battery, but the regenerative braking is needed to control the vehicle like an exhaust brake. There are solutions, but it's not something we had to worry about before.

You can put it to the sound system you'll have to install in the truck (both inside and outside) so that the truckers still feel cool about having their jake brake sound.

 

[dmclone]

Tesla Semi electric truck does 1,732 km in a single day in independent trial

A Tesla Semi truck has impressed during an independent study by completing 1,732 km in a single day with just three charging stops.

thedriven.io

1,076 miles in one day for this trial.

If you're interested,, this also gives more details of the 17 days.

https://results-2023.runonless.com/truck/?day=14&depot=pepsico&truck=pepsi_tesla3&units=imperial

Another huge bonus is with a full load you're looking at 0-60 times around 20 seconds, compared to 60 seconds or more for your typical diesel semi.

 

[brianhos]

How much more energy production would we need if 50% of the vehicles were electric? Will we be firing the coal plants back up that were shuttered?

Coal plants were not shuttered, they were converted to natural gas. We just need to make solar more affordable and we could all have a few panels to supplement.

 

[CascadeClone]

How much more energy production would we need if 50% of the vehicles were electric? Will we be firing the coal plants back up that were shuttered?

That is the more interesting question to talk about. Overall energy consumption by society/civilization & EROI.

Personally, I think nuclear is the best short-term answer for the volume of energy required. All the while adding lots of solar and wind. Needs to be more work on efficiency as well.

 

[BCClone]

Coal plants were not shuttered, they were converted to natural gas. We just need to make solar more affordable and we could all have a few panels to supplement.

I have solar for a business, I don’t see how it would fix things. I can show you my 28.6k set up. Now remember that people complained about 150k charging stations.

 

[besserheimerphat]

Yes you guys are right - you don't actually charge the battery to 100% of it's capacity. When I say "100% charged" I actually mean it's holding the designed amount of charge which will be 90-some percent of the physical capacity.

The other thing I forgot to mention is truckers are required to take a meal break of 30 minutes while on duty. That's enough time to plug in. Us common folk aren't required to do that so while stopping to charge for even 10 minutes is viewed as an existential crisis for some people, it's not a problem for truckers.