49ers - Brock Purdy - Still and Always #1

[ScottyP]

He IS a system QB but there is a difference in being (solely) a benefactor of the system and being part of the system's success.

People act like every great QB was the only reason they were great when, in reality, it took players and a system to maximize that ability. Brady had security blankets underneath like Edelman and Welker, then had super talented TEs like Gronk and Jailnandez as well as one of the all-time best vertical threats, Randy Moss. Rodgers (most recently) had Davante Adams when he was MVP. Mahomes has had Reek and Kelce. Brees had Graham and Colston...and the list goes on.

You need players that have the ability to make the plays work, which SF obviously does, and a QB that can read the defense, make the right decisions, have have precise ball placement. That's EXACTLY what Purdy is doing right now and he deserves a lot of credit for that. There's a reason why Shanahan was so quick to Dump Lance and Garroppolo once it was clear Purdy was making his recovery. They knew they had a guy who could place the ball, make the reads, and understand what Shanahan was/is trying to do.

I said this earlier, but I think Shanahan is brilliant, even moreso than his father was. Mike really pioneered the zone blocking scheme that made Denver a running juggernaut, regardless of who their running back was. Kyle is amazing at devising plays where his targets run specific routes with the idea of having them open progressively throughout the protection cycle. Just like anything it doesn't always work, but go back and watch a lot of their plays. If you break down the play in a short 11-2/3 second window, there are outlets Purdy can hit if pressured. If he has longer, there are vertical plays downfield he can exploit. If he has all day or gets flushed out of the pocket (throwing on the run) guys are open or know exactly how to break off their route. Then you have the ultimate safety valve in McCaffrey who can run, block, and catch out of the backfield.

The 49er offense is the best offense in the league right now. They have excellent design, a good offensive line, talented skill players, and a QB who understands the offense. I don't think people understand how HARD it is to have a (good enough) QB and head coach/player on the same page. I almost guarantee you that Shanahan wakes up with massive boners every morning knowing he has a QB that understands and can execute his offense.

On an almost equally sad note, it royally pisses me off our offense was a FRACTION of what it should have been while Brock was here. Manning/CMC ran a total piece of **** offense and did little to fix the timing windows that were constant issues while he was here. That **** should be a crime.

Mahomes wouldn't be near the QB he is without Andy Reid.

With Jimmy G, he would greatly reduce the pass plays. I remember in the playoffs they had a few games where they would barely even throw the ball. With Purdy, Shanahan mentioned that he has to resist calling a pass play every play just to keep it somewhat balanced. This shows that Kyle has complete confidence in Purdy.

 

[ZRF]

Mahomes wouldn't be near the QB he is without Andy Reid.

With Jimmy G, he would greatly reduce the pass plays. I remember in the playoffs they had a few games where they would barely even throw the ball. With Purdy, Shanahan mentioned that he has to resist calling a pass play every play just to keep it somewhat balanced. This shows that Kyle has complete confidence in Purdy.

I've always maintained that and agree wholeheartedly.

Andy was always one of the most creative minds in the NFL. He would design some of the coolest plays, especially inside traps, pitches, QB delays, etc but one of his downfalls was he would tend to get in his own way, getting too cute with some of his play calls. McNabb was a good QB but he's not nearly as cerebral as Mahomes.

Once Reid got Mahomes you saw the playbook open up, with the Chiefs running some really cool ****. We've seen a lot of the same Westbrook/McCoy inside traps, delayed pitches, runs etc with the Chiefs. The difference was Reid had a talented QB, who could make all of the throws, that was on the same page and he let Bienemy (largely) call the plays, even if most/all of the plays were designed by Reid in the first place.

It's easy to diminish accomplishments of guys like Montana, Aikman (who I appreciate more as I get older), Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, and now Purdy. Yes they were on good teams. Yes they had great players. But more importantly they were fortunate enough (both coach and player) to have an innate understanding of what the other was trying to do and what they could do. And that is EXTREMELY hard to find.

Aaron Rodgers might be the most talented pure QB we've ever seen in the league (I'm a Bear fan so I ******* HATE the Packers). At times he's had really good rapport with players on his team but the dude has always seemed to be on his own wavelength when it comes to how he communicates/works with his coach. There's a reason why Montana, Aikman, Brady, and Mahomes (and Manning) have won more Super Bowls and I don't think it's a matter of talent. It's that relationship and ability to work with and be on the same page as the coach.

If Prima Aaron had that he'd have at least 3 Super Bowls. Instead he has one and it's the only ******* one he'll ever have/get.

 

[Cyclones_R_GR8]

I almost guarantee you that Shanahan wakes up with massive boners every morning

I did when I was younger but it had nothing to do with QBs

 

[Cyclonsin]

I've always maintained that and agree wholeheartedly.

Andy was always one of the most creative minds in the NFL. He would design some of the coolest plays, especially inside traps, pitches, QB delays, etc but one of his downfalls was he would tend to get in his own way, getting too cute with some of his play calls. McNabb was a good QB but he's not nearly as cerebral as Mahomes.

Once Reid got Mahomes you saw the playbook open up, with the Chiefs running some really cool ****. We've seen a lot of the same Westbrook/McCoy inside traps, delayed pitches, runs etc with the Chiefs. The difference was Reid had a talented QB, who could make all of the throws, that was on the same page and he let Bienemy (largely) call the plays, even if most/all of the plays were designed by Reid in the first place.

It's easy to diminish accomplishments of guys like Montana, Aikman (who I appreciate more as I get older), Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, and now Purdy. Yes they were on good teams. Yes they had great players. But more importantly they were fortunate enough (both coach and player) to have an innate understanding of what the other was trying to do and what they could do. And that is EXTREMELY hard to find.

Aaron Rodgers might be the most talented pure QB we've ever seen in the league (I'm a Bear fan so I ******* HATE the Packers). At times he's had really good rapport with players on his team but the dude has always seemed to be on his own wavelength when it comes to how he communicates/works with his coach. There's a reason why Montana, Aikman, Brady, and Mahomes (and Manning) have won more Super Bowls and I don't think it's a matter of talent. It's that relationship and ability to work with and be on the same page as the coach.

If Prima Aaron had that he'd have at least 3 Super Bowls. Instead he has one and it's the only ******* one he'll ever have/get.

ZRF, I love your posts. They're usually very detailed, well thought out, and astute.

But I would give my left pinky toe for you to include a TLDR at the end of them.

 

[ZRF]

ZRF, I love your posts. They're usually very detailed, well thought out, and astute.

But I would give my left pinky toe for you to include a TLDR at the end of them.

Haha, I get it.

Tell you what? If you tell me that's Paul Cauthen eating corn on the cob in your profile pic I will consider it.

 

[ZRF]

I did when I was younger but it had nothing to do with QBs

TMI. I don't need to know about your dreams after watching Brokeback Mountain.

 

[Cyclonsin]

Haha, I get it.

Tell you what? If you tell me that's Paul Cauthen eating corn on the cob in your profile pic I will consider it.

I can absolutely tell you that!

...but that doesn't make it true. To be honest, I get told I look like Luke Combs all the time, but this is my first Paul Cauthen comment.

 

[Cyrealist]

Aaron Rodgers might be the most talented pure QB we've ever seen in the league (I'm a Bear fan so I ******* HATE the Packers).

I think the importance of locker room culture is under-appreciated. I'd like to think NFL teams may come to appreciate that ISU guys bring a little "5-star culture" to the locker room.

 

[ZRF]

I can absolutely tell you that!

...but that doesn't make it true. To be honest, I get told I look like Luke Combs all the time, but this is my first Paul Cauthen comment.

If you don't know who he is look him up. You look like more of a badass in that pic than some crappy country singer wannabe. Cauthen is a badass with a killer voice to boot.

 

[Pope]

He IS a system QB but there is a difference in being (solely) a benefactor of the system and being part of the system's success.

People act like every great QB was the only reason they were great when, in reality, it took players and a system to maximize that ability. Brady had security blankets underneath like Edelman and Welker, then had super talented TEs like Gronk and Jailnandez as well as one of the all-time best vertical threats, Randy Moss. Rodgers (most recently) had Davante Adams when he was MVP. Mahomes has had Reek and Kelce. Brees had Graham and Colston...and the list goes on.

You need players that have the ability to make the plays work, which SF obviously does, and a QB that can read the defense, make the right decisions, have have precise ball placement. That's EXACTLY what Purdy is doing right now and he deserves a lot of credit for that. There's a reason why Shanahan was so quick to Dump Lance and Garroppolo once it was clear Purdy was making his recovery. They knew they had a guy who could place the ball, make the reads, and understand what Shanahan was/is trying to do.

I said this earlier, but I think Shanahan is brilliant, even moreso than his father was. Mike really pioneered the zone blocking scheme that made Denver a running juggernaut, regardless of who their running back was. Kyle is amazing at devising plays where his targets run specific routes with the idea of having them open progressively throughout the protection cycle. Just like anything it doesn't always work, but go back and watch a lot of their plays. If you break down the play in a short 11-2/3 second window, there are outlets Purdy can hit if pressured. If he has longer, there are vertical plays downfield he can exploit. If he has all day or gets flushed out of the pocket (throwing on the run) guys are open or know exactly how to break off their route. Then you have the ultimate safety valve in McCaffrey who can run, block, and catch out of the backfield.

The 49er offense is the best offense in the league right now. They have excellent design, a good offensive line, talented skill players, and a QB who understands the offense. I don't think people understand how HARD it is to have a (good enough) QB and head coach/player on the same page. I almost guarantee you that Shanahan wakes up with massive boners every morning knowing he has a QB that understands and can execute his offense.

On an almost equally sad note, it royally pisses me off our offense was a FRACTION of what it should have been while Brock was here. Manning/CMC ran a total piece of **** offense and did little to fix the timing windows that were constant issues while he was here. That **** should be a crime.

I heard a former NFL coach say the other day that Purdy has changed the 49er offense. He said it was a very horizontal offense under Jimmy G, but now Shanahan is able to call the down field pass plays with Purdy. It's amazing that Purdy's completion percentage on throws over 10 yards down field is the highest in the league.

 

[ScottyP]

I heard a former NFL coach say the other day that Purdy has changed the 49er offense. He said it was a very horizontal offense under Jimmy G, but now Shanahan is able to call the down field pass plays with Purdy. It's amazing that Purdy's completion percentage on throws over 10 yards down field is the highest in the league.

It was beginning to get some discussion last year that Brock allows Shanahan to fully use his playbook now.

 

[Cyclonsin]

I heard a former NFL coach say the other day that Purdy has changed the 49er offense. He said it was a very horizontal offense under Jimmy G, but now Shanahan is able to call the down field pass plays with Purdy. It's amazing that Purdy's completion percentage on throws over 10 yards down field is the highest in the league.

Not just completion percentage. His QB Rating on throws of 10 or more yards is 158.3. Literally perfect. So much for the "dink & dunk" narrative.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Purdy's best attribute is his accuracy and he's been on time. The oline deserves a lot of credit. Dallas didn't get much pressure on him last week.

 

[mramseyISU]

Not just completion percentage. His QB Rating on throws of 10 or more yards is 158.3. Literally perfect. So much for the "dink & dunk" narrative.

Considering how the biggest knock on him I kept hearing was how he didn't have any arm strength that's a great stat.

 

[SanDiego49er]

Purdy's best attribute is his accuracy and he's been on time. The oline deserves a lot of credit. Dallas didn't get much pressure on him last week.

Nobody gets much pressure on him because he gets the ball out quick. His processing pre and post snap are elite. He goes through reads and progressions at lightning speed. He makes the right decision, gets the ball out quick, has excellent mechanics and throws an accurate ball.

That's very hard to defend and one reason they are successful.

 

[SanDiego49er]

Like a torn UCL?

I think that is a freak injury. His arm was wound back with the elbow in the most odd position at the exact moment it was hit by Hassan Reddick. 1/10 of a second before or 1/10 of a second after and he doesn't get that injury IMO. It was very flukey.

That said the NFL is a very rough game. So injuries can happen. I believe he was mostly healthy for you guys.

If healthy this team can contend for years to come and maybe even win the Super Bowl.

 

[SanDiego49er]

No way dude. I think 5 games is a big enough sample size to call him the greatest ever.

He's 12 - 0 in two seasons. 13 - 0 if you include the Miami game last year where Jimmy G got hurt and he played like more than 3/4 of the game. So the sample size is bigger.

 

[CyValley]

Purdy's best attribute is his accuracy and he's been on time. The oline deserves a lot of credit. Dallas didn't get much pressure on him last week.

The QB School is one of my favorite sites. This guy, JT O'Sullivan, a 10-year NFL veteran, uses game video to analyze Qb play from Sunday games.

Below is a link to his review of Brock's play vs. the Cowboys. JT claims Brock has "World Class Anticipation." Brock is often throwing before his target makes his final break. Really good stuff.

 

[CyValley]

He's 12 - 0 in two seasons. 13 - 0 if you include the Miami game last year where Jimmy G got hurt and he played like more than 3/4 of the game. So the sample size is bigger.

How does the NFL count W-L for quarterbacks?

IIRC, Miami was ahead 7-3 when BP entered the game. In the first quarter? Seems like that should count as a win. Then 5 regular season wins and 2 post-season victories. 8-0? Plus 5-0 this season, for 13-0?

While watching the NFL championship game last season, I thought I heard that BP exited so early the loss did not count for him.

Someone please correct me on all of this.

SanDiego49er, are there many Brock Purdy naysayers among your fans, or do the "negative waves" come from outside almost exclusively?

 

[SanDiego49er]

How does the NFL count W-L for quarterbacks?

IIRC, Miami was ahead 7-3 when BP entered the game. In the first quarter? Seems like that should count as a win. Then 5 regular season wins and 2 post-season victories. 8-0? Plus 5-0 this season, for 13-0?

While watching the NFL championship game last season, I thought I heard that BP exited so early the loss did not count for him.

Someone please correct me on all of this.

SanDiego49er, are there many Brock Purdy naysayers among your fans, or do the "negative waves" come from outside almost exclusively?

Outside fools who don't know anything. Nick Wright and Steven Ruiz. Grant Cohn (internally covers 49ers) is starting to come around.

I believe they technically count that Eagles game as a loss. But he tore his elbow all the way through and was knocked out.

So my point is 12 - 0 or 13 - 0 in games he started and finished. In games he didn't tear his elbow early in the game. Which obviously you can't really count that whether or not the NFL does. Because it's ridiculous. He could not play like that.

The fans mostly love him. Some took more time to come around than others. I could see it last year. This year he is even more improved in processing and reads.

I call him Brock_Star Montana Purdy. He's the best since Montana and Young on the 49ers. Probably in over 20 + years. We haven't had a QB this good in a long time.