When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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For actual trucks I agree with you 100%. You can see turning a corner not that far in the distance but only actually there for the places with crazy high gas.
For SUVs American consumers have been making buying decisions that have absolutely nothing to do with value for many decades now. If we want to criticize widely popular models for outrageous cost of operation the ICE SUV market is pretty much the only area to discuss, we wouldn't even get to EVs.
Since I do a lot of outdoor adventuring the Jeep 4xE is really a conundrum. On the highway it's an inefficient and overpriced expensive car...driving around town it's one of the more fuel efficient common models that's actually popular. It's designed for off roading but city driving and sub 20 mile commutes is where it's actually efficient despite it's inefficient box design. They did a great job hiding the battery in a place that doesn't cost it storage space too.
That is an insane stat. 2130 miles driven for 694 KWH. That is driving 2,000 miles on one tank of gas. 1kWH with mid American is $0.10
Thanks for providing the information.
The 70percent figure is the benchmark when the mfg has to pay for new battery and that is unusual.
But I still struggle with conflicting information I have seen/read over the years. I did a quick search again this morning and there are sources that say:
- Scenario #1: Battery degradation is 1-2percent a year depending on a users battery management. So 10-20percent over a 10 year period wouldn't seem like a bad deal. Although 20percent would make trips pretty inconvenient. To optimize battery life, experts suggest cycling between 20-80percent of a batteries capacity during day-to-day usage. So to maximize battery life, a car with 300 miles of range- should typically be recharged over that 180 mile range, which should be no big deal for most daily driving. This scenario as a plus for buying an EV. As most owners or used car buyers could target use of older EV's for in-town driving for years 10-20 of the vehicles life span.
- Scenario #2: This is information from the US Department of Energy website: "The advanced batteries in electric vehicles are designed for extended life but will wear out eventually. Several manufacturers of electric vehicles are offering 8-year/100,000-mile battery warranties. Predictive modeling (PDF) by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory indicates that today’s batteries may last 12 to 15 years in moderate climates (8 to 12 years in extreme climates). In addition to climate, other factors impacting battery life include driving and charging patterns, battery cell chemistry and design, and the vehicle-battery-environment thermal system." This scenario is a bit more alarming for EV's in the used vehicle market as 45percent of vehicles on the road today are over 14 years old (25percent over 20 years old). So in this scenario, any buyer of a used car over 10 years old is probably going to want the seller to replace the battery. Or the re-sale prices of older EV's will drop exponentially as they approach/exceed 10 years of age to account for the $10K+ cost of battery replacement.
Note to self, check into adding a 240/40 amp outlet in the garage. Cousin from Iowa was here a couple of weeks back and stayed overnight. Drove his Ford Lightening and if I had a 240V he could have charged up overnight rather than having to do charging station shopping in the morning. Was educational for me, didn't realize how hard Level 3 chargers were to find, even here in the city. Seems the network is really still setup for charge at home and local driving with not a lot of convenient options for someone who has driven here and now needs a charge.
This whole EV thing kind of reminds of HD TV's. When I bought my first HD TV there were a lot of negatives:
It was a Sony 40XBR2 in 2006?
It was a Sony 40XBR2 in 2006?
- It was expensive as hell. I believe it was over $3000.
- It was thick and not in the THIC good way
- It weighed about 300lbs (not kidding)
- There was very little content that was in HD
- When there was content, it had a glorious picture
- It was bigger screen but a lot thinner
- A little more content in HD
- Picture really wasn't any better
- Not as expensive but still pricey
- 4k instead of HD
- Everything in HD, a little in 4k
- Amazing Picture
- Bigger screen
- Amazingly light and thin
- A little pricey but cheaper than the other 2.
I would absolutely love a 4xE version of the gladiator. I want a truck bed to haul crap around on the weekends, I don't tow at all so a big truck is dumb for me to have. Being able to pull the roof and doors off in the summer would be fantastic I think.
FWIW battery technology seems to to be advancing really fast. I like to equate it to power tool batteries. I think back to the first battery powered drill I ever saw in the late 90's and they were absolute garbage. Maybe a year or two later I got ahold of a 14.4v NiCad dewalt drill and it was amazing but battery life wasn't great. Not long after that I got ahold of a Lithium ion battery and that was another massive step. Batteries were at that Lithium Ion step for basically 15 years but now we're seeing new lithium technology with the pouch style batteries and some new chemistries. Car batteries are where the drill batteries were 15 years ago but I think we'll see a lot faster innovation in that space because it's important. By the time we get to 2030 I think ICE vehicles will still be around but they'll be a niche market.
You forgot to mention the winter heating benefits of the Panasonic plasma. My 2013 set adds a lot of supplemental heating in the living room during the "R" months.
It unfortunately absolutely is. Had the exact same experience here in the CR area a month or so ago.
Minnesota is WAY behind on Lvl 3 charging. Like terribly behind. That's about to change though, and that's not even including a lot of us being able to use the Tesla network starting next year.
Two magic docs just opened in Monticello, and Alexandria, plus a few lvl 3s are coming on line with Circle-K.
As far as in the Metro, its brutal right now. One in Roseville, one in Woodbury. Southdale Target in Edina is starting work on an EA lvl 3 charger.
Big problem with electric vehicles is many people in Iowa pull trailers with pickup trucks. A car dealer i talk with said the big sticking point with Iowans is ev pickups are basically useless for pulling trailers without having to constantly recharging.
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The builder we used for our house started putting a 14-50 outlet on each side of the garage now after we requested it.
Not sure how to figure that one or what it means. Would that be total KWH used dived by miles driven?
So 694 kWh and 2,051 miles?
Just found the calculation.
If so, (Wh/mi)/1000 = kWh/mi. Invert this number to get mi/kWh.
For example, if your average Wh/mi is 280 --> 280/1000 = .280 kWh/mi.
Invert --> 1/.280 = 3.57 mi/kWh
I see a consumption (net), which is 303 Wh/mi=3.30
I see a consumption (gross) which is 323 Wh/mi=3.09
That's true even though they they do a lot better job of actually towing than anything you can buy. Also, people that pull trailers tend to drive long distances. I wonder how many people with trailer hitches actually pull something on a regular basis? I've owned 5 vehicles that have had trailer hitches and the only one that actually pulled anything was a Lexus ES300 and it pulled a jet ski, which would work good with an EV.
The other big thing with EV's and trailering are chargers. Very few drive through chargers.
The Rivians might be the best towing vehicles for their size on the road right now. Unfortunately, the range is indeed an issue. If you were towing in town, it'd be a dream.
Roseville is where cousin ended up very early in the morning. With two Uber driver guys per his text.
Spent some time this morning looking over my 200 amp breaker box. It's full, 29 of 30 spaces. Bathroom remodels sort of ate up spaces with new code taking six new breakers for 2.5 baths. To add more circuits I guess I'll need to have a new 40 space box. 200 amp and 30 spaces seemed good to go in 2000 when addition was built and new box was installed but old house plus new mega addition didn't really lend itself to efficient use of circuits.
