When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[HFCS]

Big problem with electric vehicles is many people in Iowa pull trailers with pickup trucks. A car dealer i talk with said the big sticking point with Iowans is ev pickups are basically useless for pulling trailers without having to constantly recharging.

Do the people pulling trailers with low mpg trucks just refilling the gas tank every hour of driving or is it like an 80 gallon tank and I’m not enough of a truck person to know?

Not being a jerk, just it can’t be cheap or fuel efficient for an ice either, even with Iowa’s state subsidized gas. I genuinely don’t know what they’d accept in term of stopping for gas getting such low mpg.

I’m sure with a first generation EV truck it would be a lot of time pulled over charging for a very long road trip pulling a trailer, my guess is that sort of thing has always been expensive and eventually EVs will make it cheaper. Probably not worth the savings on the fuel yet though for the time it costs.

There’s also a culture of “I need full off-road capability and pulling a trailer” for somebody who mostly picks kids up from soccer. That’s all of American culture though before EVs we’re even common.

 

[HFCS]

I've got a few quotes to add a 14-50 outlet in my cabin's garage and they were like $2-$3500. Not going to do it this year and give it a go with just the 120v this winter. With Tesla going live for me this upcoming spring, it shouldn't matter at all, because I can top off in Baxter which is 20 miles south of our cabin.

Mine is going to be a bit of a project when I do it. My parents dryer is on the other side of the wall from there’s would be and I’m guessing it’ll take 30 minutes tops to install in their garage.

I do have a local city gov $500 credit on top of what state may give me so it won’t be that bad.

 

[herbicide]

Where did I say that?

Who do you think is against EVs right now? Think for a bit...think really hard.

In the scope of this discussion and the point I am trying to make; it’s an automaker named Toyota that doesn’t have EVs in their vehicle lineup. It’s no mystery or scandal that they choose not to promote something that would only harm their own business and benefit their competitors.

Edit: it’s also not a mystery or scandal that they would choose to lobby politicians that would be aligned with their strategy. The rest of that discussion belongs in the cave.

Now if you want to say it is foolish or bad strategy on Toyota’s behalf to not have said EVs in their lineup, that is another topic.

 

[KnappShack]

In the scope of this discussion and the point I am trying to make; it’s an automaker named Toyota that doesn’t have EVs in their vehicle lineup. It’s no mystery or scandal that they choose not to promote something that would only harm their own business and benefit their competitors.

Now if you want to say it is foolish or bad strategy on Toyota’s behalf to not have said EVs in their lineup, that is another topic.

Their arc is a bit odd.

Hybrid engines were coming along in the 90s. Clinton even had an event on the White House lawn.

American manufacturers didn't jump, but Toyota sure did.

Then they fell behind (for whatever reason) in the EV game.

Interesting story

 

[mramseyISU]

In the scope of this discussion and the point I am trying to make; it’s an automaker named Toyota that doesn’t have EVs in their vehicle lineup. It’s no mystery or scandal that they choose not to promote something that would only harm their own business and benefit their competitors.

Edit: it’s also not a mystery or scandal that they would choose to lobby politicians that would be aligned with their strategy. The rest of that discussion belongs in the cave.

Now if you want to say it is foolish or bad strategy on Toyota’s behalf to not have said EVs in their lineup, that is another topic.

Except they do have a BEV in their line-up. It's just not being marketed very well.

2025 Toyota bZ4X | Toyota.com

Discover a world of potential with the all-new 2025 bZ4X. Featuring an all-electric powertrain you can trust, from point A to point bZ.

www.toyota.com

 

[herbicide]

Do the people pulling trailers with low mpg trucks just refilling the gas tank every hour of driving or is it like an 80 gallon tank and I’m not enough of a truck person to know?

Yes, they make a lot of fuel stops. A typical passenger truck might have a 25 gallon tank, get 15-20mpg not pulling, so say a 500 mile range. Pulling a trailer will have varying effects on that mpg, but typically it will cut it by 30 to 50%. So now with that example you’re looking at a 250 mile range when pulling.

 

[HFCS]

Except they do have a BEV in their line-up. It's just not being marketed very well.

2025 Toyota bZ4X | Toyota.com

Discover a world of potential with the all-new 2025 bZ4X. Featuring an all-electric powertrain you can trust, from point A to point bZ.

www.toyota.com

The suburu EV/hybrids are basically awd Toyota too.

 

[mramseyISU]

Yes, they make a lot of fuel stops. A typical passenger truck might have a 25 gallon tank, get 15-20mpg not pulling, so say a 500 mile range. Pulling a trailer will have varying effects on that mpg, but typically it will cut it by 30 to 50%. So now with that example you’re looking at a 250 mile range when pulling.

FWIW pulling a fullish trailer at 25 mph takes about 70kW of power. An extended range F150 Lightning has a 131kWh battery so if you do the math you can pull that trailer at that speed for a little less than 50 miles. ICE vehicles have the same problem but the fueling process is just so much faster they don't care.

 

[dmclone]

My 2021 Highlander Hybrid has a CVT

Not sure I would broadcast that.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Good thread and you all have been staying out of the partisan politics (mostly).

Let's continue to keep it clean, maybe stick with rebates and reg's and stuff on the govt side of the discussion.

 

[Bader]

Not sure I would broadcast that.

What?

 

[mramseyISU]

Good thread and you all have been staying out of the partisan politics (mostly).

Let's continue to keep clean, maybe stick with rebates and reg's and stuff on the govt side of the discussion.

I'm really surprised this hasn't turned into a poo flinging match and ended up in the cave. Other than a couple knuckleheads that people aren't engaging it's been pretty matter of fact good and bad with the BEVs.

 

[dmclone]

What?

My experience with CVT's is terrible but now that I think of it, I just drove a new Highlander a few months ago and didn't even notice it had a CVT. So maybe they've improved a lot.

Scratch that, it wasn't a hybrid so it had an 8 speed auto.

 

[KnappShack]

My experience with CVT's is terrible but now that I think of it, I just drove a new Highlander a few months ago and didn't even notice it had a CVT. So maybe they've improved a lot.

On of those car guys on the YouTube says those are straight garbage. Longs for ye olden days when cars were built right. Back in 2005.

Which is funny because every generation seems to think their cars were better.

I'm here to say my 1970s era Impala was straight junk!

 

[herbicide]

My experience with CVT's is terrible but now that I think of it, I just drove a new Highlander a few months ago and didn't even notice it had a CVT. So maybe they've improved a lot.

Many have come a long way from the early Nissan debacle. They certainly aren’t for everyone/every application, but they do certainly have their benefits, especially in the “mpg” category.

 

[dmclone]

On of those car guys on the YouTube says those are straight garbage. Longs for ye olden days when cars were built right. Back in 2005.

Which is funny because every generation seems to think their cars were better.

I'm here to say my 1970s era Impala was straight junk!

I'm not talking about reliability, I'm talking about how it feels to drive one. But the latest one I've driven has been a 2022? CRV, which was better than the Nissans I've driven in the past, but still not a lot of fun.

 

[herbicide]

I'm not talking about reliability, I'm talking about how it feels to drive one. But the latest one I've driven has been a 2022? CRV, which was better than the Nissans I've driven in the past, but still not a lot of fun.

Our new outback has one, it has artificial shift points *unless you mash it. Which may or may not be strange depending on your perspective. From a pure performance standpoint it makes sense, but it feels ”different.” But after all it’s an Outback not a performance rig.

 

[BoxsterCy]

I'm really surprised this hasn't turned into a poo flinging match and ended up in the cave. Other than a couple knuckleheads that people aren't engaging it's been pretty matter of fact good and bad with the BEVs.

It has helped me get up to speed some and also sparked my interest in looking at my home setup and what I might want to buy in the future. Went back to this thread after cousin's visit with his EV. Been driving Das Audi's for a couple of decades and sort of disappointed that the plug in hybrid smaller SUV they have isn't really available. Maybe in a couple of years when I am ready to buy.

 

[herbicide]

It has helped me get up to speed some and also sparked my interest in looking at my home setup and what I might want to buy in the future. Went back to this thread after cousin's visit with his EV. Been driving Das Audi's for a couple of decades and sort of disappointed that the plug in hybrid smaller SUV they have isn't really available. Maybe in a couple of years when I am ready to buy.

I’m somewhat a car guy and the two things stopping me right now are that I enjoy a company vehicle and that for my use (work: avoiding overnight trips) I would need at least a true 600 mile range year round. Personally I hope the claims of 900 mile range vehicles do come true in the near future.

 

[nrg4isu]

I really want BEVs to become the defacto vehicle for residential use. From a consumer point of view there's so much going for it.

1) fewer moving parts.
2) less maintenance (see 1)
3) energy source agnostic - energy generation could be solar, grid (various), generator, etc.
4) potential high-recyclability
5) high efficiency

Of course there's challenges, but they all seem to be completely solvable at this point. Infrastructure is the biggest challenge, and that obviously takes time. Recycling batteries needs a lot of work too.

Gas/diesel won't die for a long time and that's okay. Use the best tool for the job needing to be done. An ICE does not strike me to be the best tool for > 90% of my driving needs. I hate taking my car in for oil changes and the price of gas isn't likely to be competitive