My last 3 cars:
2007? Camry: rear ended on the highway, totaled, 27k miles
2011 Highlander: 134k and still rolling
2017 F150: two major repairs about 70k miles. Traded it in for my wife’s car we just got this summer.
When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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My last 3 cars:
2007? Camry: rear ended on the highway, totaled, 27k miles
2011 Highlander: 134k and still rolling
2017 F150: two major repairs about 70k miles. Traded it in for my wife’s car we just got this summer.
I've owned a ton of Japanese cars known for their reliability and I've never went past 80k miles. I get bored with the same car. The last car I had that broke down was probably 12 cars ago and it was the air conditioner on a 86 Honda Accord. I have sold a lot of my cars to family members who have ran them into the ground. I have some friends that take pride in driving cars 200k+ miles, even if they are junk. I don't get it but whatever works for them.
Let me know own the next time you have a milage turnover due
Back to Toyota talking out of their ass. Here is something they released yesterday in Australia.
www.carsales.com.au
A few interesting quotes.
“Right now, hybrid-electric vehicles are a better fit than BEVs for most consumers,” he told Australian journalists ahead of the bZ4X’s debut at the Japan Mobility Show in Tokyo today,
“They are more affordable and don’t require charging infrastructure. They’re cars for the masses, not for the few."
“In 2026, we are planning to have a completely new BEV platform. By then we’ll also have 10 new BEV models globally.”
“Rest assured, our Australian customers will be offered Toyota BEVs in multiple segments in the coming years,” said Hanley.
"But the Australian auto market leader has been criticised for being late to EVs, sales of which have increased by over 80 per cent so far this year to more than 65,000 vehicles, thanks to several new and relatively affordable models from China, accounting for 7.3 per cent of Australian new-vehicle sales."
The heavy EV lifting has been done by Tesla, whose Model Y mid-size electric SUV – a direct rival for the bZ4X – is the nation’s top-selling SUV to September this year, outselling even the RAV4 (in part due to supply constraints, leading to two-year wait times for the RAV4 Hybrid).
So to summarize, EV's don't make sense today in Australia for most consumers but in 2 years, when Toyota has a bunch of EV's, they will make total sense for every Australian. In the mean time, they continue to lose market share.
Toyota: EVs are only ‘for the few’ - carsales.com.au
Hybrids are better suited to Australia than battery-electric cars for now, says Toyota Australia at the launch of its first EV
A few interesting quotes.
“Right now, hybrid-electric vehicles are a better fit than BEVs for most consumers,” he told Australian journalists ahead of the bZ4X’s debut at the Japan Mobility Show in Tokyo today,
“They are more affordable and don’t require charging infrastructure. They’re cars for the masses, not for the few."
“In 2026, we are planning to have a completely new BEV platform. By then we’ll also have 10 new BEV models globally.”
“Rest assured, our Australian customers will be offered Toyota BEVs in multiple segments in the coming years,” said Hanley.
"But the Australian auto market leader has been criticised for being late to EVs, sales of which have increased by over 80 per cent so far this year to more than 65,000 vehicles, thanks to several new and relatively affordable models from China, accounting for 7.3 per cent of Australian new-vehicle sales."
The heavy EV lifting has been done by Tesla, whose Model Y mid-size electric SUV – a direct rival for the bZ4X – is the nation’s top-selling SUV to September this year, outselling even the RAV4 (in part due to supply constraints, leading to two-year wait times for the RAV4 Hybrid).
So to summarize, EV's don't make sense today in Australia for most consumers but in 2 years, when Toyota has a bunch of EV's, they will make total sense for every Australian. In the mean time, they continue to lose market share.
Your critical thinking is spot on, but what's the VP of Marketing gonna say? "you should definitely not buy from us, we suck!" He is spinning it the best he can, that's his job.Back to Toyota talking out of their ass. Here is something they released yesterday in Australia.
Toyota: EVs are only ‘for the few’ - carsales.com.au
Hybrids are better suited to Australia than battery-electric cars for now, says Toyota Australia at the launch of its first EV
A few interesting quotes.
“Right now, hybrid-electric vehicles are a better fit than BEVs for most consumers,” he told Australian journalists ahead of the bZ4X’s debut at the Japan Mobility Show in Tokyo today,
“They are more affordable and don’t require charging infrastructure. They’re cars for the masses, not for the few."
“In 2026, we are planning to have a completely new BEV platform. By then we’ll also have 10 new BEV models globally.”
“Rest assured, our Australian customers will be offered Toyota BEVs in multiple segments in the coming years,” said Hanley.
"But the Australian auto market leader has been criticised for being late to EVs, sales of which have increased by over 80 per cent so far this year to more than 65,000 vehicles, thanks to several new and relatively affordable models from China, accounting for 7.3 per cent of Australian new-vehicle sales."
The heavy EV lifting has been done by Tesla, whose Model Y mid-size electric SUV – a direct rival for the bZ4X – is the nation’s top-selling SUV to September this year, outselling even the RAV4 (in part due to supply constraints, leading to two-year wait times for the RAV4 Hybrid).
So to summarize, EV's don't make sense today in Australia for most consumers but in 2 years, when Toyota has a bunch of EV's, they will make total sense for every Australian. In the mean time, they continue to lose market share.
The risk he runs is scaring people off from buying hybrids today, if they believe Toyota will have a great BEV in 2026... which is probably why he focuses the message on hybrids being better for most people. Remove that obstacle as best he can. It's tricky because Toyota HAS been behind the curve on BEVs...
That is not talking out their ass, that is marketing. Forgive me if shake my head, this is much ado about nothing.Back to Toyota talking out of their ass. Here is something they released yesterday in Australia.
Toyota: EVs are only ‘for the few’ - carsales.com.au
Hybrids are better suited to Australia than battery-electric cars for now, says Toyota Australia at the launch of its first EV
A few interesting quotes.
“Right now, hybrid-electric vehicles are a better fit than BEVs for most consumers,” he told Australian journalists ahead of the bZ4X’s debut at the Japan Mobility Show in Tokyo today,
“They are more affordable and don’t require charging infrastructure. They’re cars for the masses, not for the few."
“In 2026, we are planning to have a completely new BEV platform. By then we’ll also have 10 new BEV models globally.”
“Rest assured, our Australian customers will be offered Toyota BEVs in multiple segments in the coming years,” said Hanley.
"But the Australian auto market leader has been criticised for being late to EVs, sales of which have increased by over 80 per cent so far this year to more than 65,000 vehicles, thanks to several new and relatively affordable models from China, accounting for 7.3 per cent of Australian new-vehicle sales."
The heavy EV lifting has been done by Tesla, whose Model Y mid-size electric SUV – a direct rival for the bZ4X – is the nation’s top-selling SUV to September this year, outselling even the RAV4 (in part due to supply constraints, leading to two-year wait times for the RAV4 Hybrid).
So to summarize, EV's don't make sense today in Australia for most consumers but in 2 years, when Toyota has a bunch of EV's, they will make total sense for every Australian. In the mean time, they continue to lose market share.
Honestly now, do you think it is realistic for any companies marketing to take a stance that demotes their product line while promoting their competitors?
Did you and I read the same article? You don't think they were talking out of their ass?
This reminds me of Blockbuster.
"Frankly, we see online subscriptions as a niche business," says a Blockbuster spokeswoman, "we think the real win-win will be a combination of an online and in-store service."
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No I didn’t, but I did read your quoted sections in your post.
I’ll say it again, do you really expect a company to not promote their own products and instead promote their competitors? It’s more than fair (realistic) to criticize them for their strategy on their product lines but to be “outraged” at their marketing of their own products versus their competitors is something else.
OK. Pointing out that they are talking out of their ass, doesn't equal "outraged".
And lets face it when you're talking about Toyota their technology is always 3-5 years behind everybody else because they value reliability or rather perceived reliability over everything else. It still blows my mind that they were so far ahead of everybody else with a hybrid electric drivetrain 20 years ago.
I also agree with them that just jumping to BEVs is a one size fits all for every market and every person. There's a whole lot of people in a whole lot of the world that have zero access to sufficient electrical infrastructure needed to make BEV's work.
Toyota used to be so revolutionary. LS400, Prius, Supra, etc. That's what makes things like this so hard to swallow. They still have that legendary reliability, which goes a long way.
Big companies tend to become more conservative, not necessarily by design or intent (but often as design/intent). I'd venture Toyota's internal business model of today is more about protecting their market share than growth, whether they would tell themselves that or not... They'll never admit that to the outside world, nor would any company.
I don't work in the auto industry, but I do work in an industry that has parallels, and have experienced this effect of inverse relationship of size to innovation. Risk vs reward sort of stuff. Not saying its correct by any means, but that I can see parallels in regards to this discussion to the industry I am employed.
Also, a company like Toyota (or basically any publicly traded company) is more concerned with what wall street thinks (ie stock prices) than their customers; that stock price has more direct influence than actual sales/margins. I won't say anymore regarding this as it may steer the thread into the cave...
Is this like the Mitch Hedberg joke? They used to make reliable cars, they still do but they used to, too.
This Chevy Blazer EV looks pretty nice. I believe it's what Honda is going to use for their first SUV EV.
One thing I do hate is that like Tesla, no Carplay/Android Auto. I don't trust GM's infotainment. On the other hand, I have heard a lot of great things about SuperCruise
One thing I do hate is that like Tesla, no Carplay/Android Auto. I don't trust GM's infotainment. On the other hand, I have heard a lot of great things about SuperCruise
I’m not sure blazer is a name I would have used, those things had a death trap reputation.This Chevy Blazer EV looks pretty nice. I believe it's what Honda is going to use for their first SUV EV.
One thing I do hate is that like Tesla, no Carplay/Android Auto. I don't trust GM's infotainment. I have heard a lot of great things about SuperCruise
Sex on wheels gets a new life!
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Why GM is reviving the Bolt, the best-selling EV it almost discontinued
GM CEO Mary Barra shared more details about the company's plan to overhaul, rather than discontinue, the affordable Chevrolet Bolt EV.
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Second photo almost looks like a Jag.This Chevy Blazer EV looks pretty nice. I believe it's what Honda is going to use for their first SUV EV.
One thing I do hate is that like Tesla, no Carplay/Android Auto. I don't trust GM's infotainment. On the other hand, I have heard a lot of great things about SuperCruise
