***2023 Iowa High School Football Playoffs***

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I get what you are saying, but looking at Iowa City's growth, it says that is in Tiffin which would put those kids in the new high school they just opened a couple of years ago. IC West lost athletes to new high school also.
Maybe it's just me, but I can remember when the large school classification was owned by the Eastern Iowa schools, along with Dowling, which choked in the end and Valley.

Last year SEP had two of the better football players in the country, the DB that went to EIU and the tackle that went to Alabama, we also got a couple of their players. When was the last time eastern Iowa had a highly ranked player come out of high school from that part of the state. It's been a while.

Jack Campbell? Granted he only was a 3 star but obviously much better than that. He is the best high school linebacker I have ever seen
 
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I get what you are saying, but looking at Iowa City's growth, it says that is in Tiffin which would put those kids in the new high school they just opened a couple of years ago. IC West lost athletes to new high school also.
Maybe it's just me, but I can remember when the large school classification was owned by the Eastern Iowa schools, along with Dowling, which choked in the end and Valley.

Last year SEP had two of the better football players in the country, the DB that went to EIU and the tackle that went to Alabama, we also got a couple of their players. When was the last time eastern Iowa had a highly ranked player come out of high school from that part of the state. It's been a while.
Looking at the article, it said that Tiffin was the fastest growing city in the state, at 11 percent for that year. The Iowa City metro as a whole grew 0.8 percent for that year, 2021-2022.

That they didn’t list other towns near Iowa City doesn’t mean they weren’t also growing — and Iowa City itself wasn’t as well. That so many Des Moines suburbs were listed is probably a function of both how fast they were growing and how much bigger the Des Moines metro area is (many more suburbs). It did say the city of Des Moines lost population.

Keep in mind that this is all just for a single year, the most recent data. What is notable is the trend started before that — Des Moines as the fastest growing major Midwest metro.

I agree with you and everyone else that Eastern Iowa high schools were long dominant, with the exceptions of WDM Dowling and WDM Valley.
 
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Jack Campbell? Granted he only was a 3 star but obviously much better than that. He is the best high school linebacker I have ever seen

I get what you are saying, but looking at Iowa City's growth, it says that is in Tiffin which would put those kids in the new high school they just opened a couple of years ago. IC West lost athletes to new high school also.
Maybe it's just me, but I can remember when the large school classification was owned by the Eastern Iowa schools, along with Dowling, which choked in the end and Valley.

Last year SEP had two of the better football players in the country, the DB that went to EIU and the tackle that went to Alabama, we also got a couple of their players. When was the last time eastern Iowa had a highly ranked player come out of high school from that part of the state. It's been a while.
Who was the lineman from Cedar Falls that played at Alabama just a few years ago?
 

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Jack Campbell? Granted he only was a 3 star but obviously much better than that. He is the best high school linebacker I have ever seen
Played at Cedar Falls, I would say they have been the best 5A school in the Eastern part of the state the last decade.
The last time IC High won a championship was 2009, Bettendorf 2007, IC West 1999, Xavier won a title in 2006, since 2010 Dowling has won 7 championships. SEP 1, Valley HS 1, Ankeny 1 and Waukee 1.
 

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The East side of the state stopped producing the talent that they did in the 80's through 2010 or so. There are no Tim Dwight's, Roger Craig's or the RB from Bett. that went to EIU. Their suburban schools are smaller, its schools like Solon, IC Regina and a few others. So, the public schools in Iowa City and Ceder Rapids have not kept up while the DM suburban schools have exploded in population, over that same time period. Look at the growth of SEP, Wakee, Ankeny over the past 20 years. Where they used to be a smaller 4A school, now many have 2 larger 5A schools while SEP is the 2nd largest school on the BEDS list behind Valley.
Mostly agree but eastern Iowa still churns out serious talent. Solon w/ Linderbaum. Cedar Falls with Jack Campbell. Mt. Vernon with Wirfs. Those are 3 recently drafted, first-round NFL studs from within 60 miles of each other in eastern Iowa.
 

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Mostly agree but eastern Iowa still churns out serious talent. Solon w/ Linderbaum. Cedar Falls with Jack Campbell. Mt. Vernon with Wirfs. Those are 3 recently drafted NFL studs from within 60 miles of each other in eastern Iowa.
True but Mt. Vernon and Solon are not large class schools, that type of talent used to be coming out of IC High, or Bettendorf, now its found in the smaller schools in the east, not the large schools. I think Wirfs was highly ranked, but weren't the other two 3-star recruits by most of the rankings?
 

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True but Mt. Vernon and Solon are not large class schools, that type of talent used to be coming out of IC High, or Bettendorf, now its found in the smaller schools in the east, not the large schools. I think Wirfs was highly ranked, but weren't the other two 3-star recruits by most of the rankings?

Isn't talent talent though no matter where it's out of?
 

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LC and Denison having better records than Harlan is so weird compared to when I was in high school. Duggan turned LC around and Scherff turned Denison around with his donations.
I knew Scherff bought all the farmground around Denison but I didnt hear about him helping the football team. Good on him. I also hadn’t seen a Harlan team lose 3 games before playoffs in the 20 years I was in the area. The old times can’t always stay the same I guess
 

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I've said it before, but just one generation ago (1997), these teams were all in the same Class 2A district for football (listed with their 2023 classification):
5A Waukee
4A Dallas Center-Grimes
2A Interstate 35
2A Prairie Valley, Gowrie (now Southeast Valley)

1A Nodaway Valley
1A Ogden
1A West Central Valley
8P Audubon

Going from memory...my Class 2A district in 1995:

North Polk
Clarke-Osceola
Carlisle
Roland-Story
Dallas Center-Grimes
Perry
Ballard
Waukee

Real divergence among these schools in the generation since.
 

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I knew Scherff bought all the farmground around Denison but I didnt hear about him helping the football team. Good on him. I also hadn’t seen a Harlan team lose 3 games before playoffs in the 20 years I was in the area. The old times can’t always stay the same I guess
I don't know the exact number but I think it was 7 figures he donated to build a new weight room and some other facilities. He's a great dude, I was in the same class as him. Played basketball and baseball against him through middle school and high school.
 

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Isn't talent talent though no matter where it's out of?
Yes, it is, but not when we are talking about why the large schools from the eastern part of the state used to dominate the field and now, they have not won a championship since 2009. I said the talent at the large schools is not what it was in the past and the talent in the DM metro areas has been better.
Now if Solon and Mt. Vernon were in the large school class you would have a very good point, but they are not.
 

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I get what you are saying, but looking at Iowa City's growth, it says that is in Tiffin which would put those kids in the new high school they just opened a couple of years ago. IC West lost athletes to new high school also.
Maybe it's just me, but I can remember when the large school classification was owned by the Eastern Iowa schools, along with Dowling, which choked in the end and Valley.

Last year SEP had two of the better football players in the country, the DB that went to EIU and the tackle that went to Alabama, we also got a couple of their players. When was the last time eastern Iowa had a highly ranked player come out of high school from that part of the state. It's been a while.

Growth in Tiffin doesn’t put those kids in the Iowa City district, it puts them in Clear Creek Amana, which would be along the lines of the Dallas Center Grimes/North Polk/Bondurant-Farrar types of districts; fast-growing, but not up to 5A.

Iowa City did divide their students up some by opening Liberty, which mostly cannibalized West. Still, Ankeny and Waukee have done the same, without that much of a hit to their football successes.

I don’t have the answer to why the DSM suburban schools have dominated since 2010; there’s some combination of coaching, investment, and population trends at play, but I think it’s population that’s the biggest factor. In the east, I think the districts benefiting from the move away from rural areas and inner cities are still 3A and 4A; in Central Iowa, where there were more people to start with, 5A schools like Southeast Polk and Ankeny and Waukee are reaping those population trend benefits instead. And of course, the built-in benefit of being a large private school like Dowling in the population center that is West Des Moines gives them a boost.

(That said, even 4A is starting to see a power shift to central Iowa, with schools like Bondurant-Farrar and North Polk and ADM and even smaller districts like Van Meter are getting pretty powerful.)
 
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Kennedy has a high 4 star OT that committed to Iowa. Jack Campbell's younger brother, Drew, is a highly rated DE.
 

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EIGHT-PLAYER QUARTERFINALS

Bedford 36, Lenox 24
Glabrook-Reinbeck 32, Clarksville 20
Bishop Garrigan 26, CAM 16
Winfield-Mt. Union 34, Don Bosco 29

Pairings for the semis will be reset based on the rankings at the end of the regular season.

EIGHT-PLAYER SEMIFINALS (Wed., 11/8)
10 a.m. - #1 Winfield-Mt. Union (11-0) vs Bishop Garrigan (10-1)
1 p.m. - #2 Bedford (11-0) vs #6 Gladbrook-Reinbeck (10-1)
 
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What do you think will be the best games tomorrow?

4A: Bondurant-Glenwood
3A: Webster City-Creston
3A: Mount Vernon-Williamsburg
2A: West Lyon-Spirit Lake
1A: Regina-MFL
1A: Dike-Grundy (Grundy won 7-6 in week 1)
A: Madrid-ACGC
A: West Hancock-Wapsie
 
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