*** Official #22 Kansas vs IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

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The fumble thing didn’t hurt us since they got it right on review.

It didn’t hurt us but it was out of the ordinary shockingly bad call on the field. Just bizarre, I couldn’t decipher what was even happening. I thought they must have ruled it a catch and fumble after the catch, Rocco fumbling didn’t remotely seem like a possible thing. Assuming they are fine people, they had to have just not seen the play at all.
 

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A few observations from being at the game.

There were a lot of obnoxious Kansas fans. You can tell they're not used to winning.

The crowd wanted to get into early on, but the team came out sleep walking.

Got outcoached. Tip your cap to them.

We're a young team. Better days are ahead; hopefully getting bowl eligible against BYU
 

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The team missed the moment tonight in a big way. You don’t get many of those that mean that much, and they missed the opportunity to seize it. Really disappointing. Young team, sure, but it was more than that tonight.

Imo they really didn't look very well prepared to play. After the sloppy Baylor game I was hoping they'd come out sharper and they just didn't. They may have even regressed in that regard.

Contrastly, KU didn't look hungover at all after the OU win. They were ready for the moment.
 

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Leipold is a really good coach. Their offensive play calls are amazing and are not vanilla in any way.


Make the defense defend the entire field. Not a difficult concept and a head scratcher why CMC doesn't do the same to the opponents defense the entire game...................every game. Especially when he use to do it.
 

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Make the defense defend the entire field. Not a difficult concept and a head scratcher why CMC doesn't do the same to the opponents defense the entire game...................every game. Especially when he use to do it.

When did he do this?

For years 2 and 3 it was get the ball to DM or loft it up for Butler but I don't recall any sort of pace of play or real definition of getting the ball to pockets of the defense.
KU also has the speed to work with. Leipold did a nice job recruiting to his vision.

I'm not sure what CMC's actual defined vision has been.
 

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Is this a "baylor is so bad you don't have to prepare for them joke"?

The Baylor game was sloppy, fortunately ISU manage a win. KU was arguably worse in that regard. ISU got extra time to prepare for a couple of upcoming games, and their play regressed. I don't get it.
 

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It didn’t hurt us but it was out of the ordinary shockingly bad call on the field. Just bizarre, I couldn’t decipher what was even happening. I thought they must have ruled it a catch and fumble after the catch, Rocco fumbling didn’t remotely seem like a possible thing. Assuming they are fine people, they had to have just not seen the play at all.
I think they got fooled by the spin out of his hand. It came out real weird.
 

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Just got home. Thoughts resonate around three things. (1) No offense for three quarters was brutal. (2) Defensive backs coverage overall was abysmal. It seems like we’ve gone back to the last football coaching staff where we frequently gave up first downs on 3rd and long. Let alone 4th and long. And finally (3) The offensive line just didn’t show up most of the game. No time in the pocket, lots of missed blocks that allowed plays to blow up. Woof. Great comeback thwarted by defensive miscues.

Coming into the game, KU's offense was scoring about 35 ppg in conference. They scored 21 against ISU.

Coming into the game KU's defense was giving up about 32 ppg in conference. ISU's offense scored 21 against KU.

I know...the ISU defense often doesn't look good because they give up those 3rd/4th and longs, and it would be very helpful if they could clean that up. But the bottom line is that although the defense was not stellar, they did good enough to win. Stinky, unimaginative offense lost the KU game.
 

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He's become quite predictable, which has now lowered his ceiling.

I mean, he's a 5 to 8 win coach at ISU.

Like somebody said though, he's probably the same at Vandy, and a 10 and 2 coach at Georgia.

He's Ferentz in cardinal and gold.
I agree with most of what you are saying. But he wouldn't win five a Vandy - no fan support at all. And would not win 10 at Georgia as he would not hire a strong enough Off coordinator to go against Alabama/LSU/Tenn/OU/UT etc... In the new Big 12 he is probably around the 6th best coach at best (Whittingham/Gundy/Klieman/Leipold and then maybe Fisch/Dikes/Malzahn as well).
 
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When did he do this?

For years 2 and 3 it was get the ball to DM or loft it up for Butler but I don't recall any sort of pace of play or real definition of getting the ball to pockets of the defense.
KU also has the speed to work with. Leipold did a nice job recruiting to his vision.

I'm not sure what CMC's actual defined vision has been.


When they had Kempt and then Brock his freshman year........it was whatever you had to do to score. I remember Brock's first game against OSU........bomb's away. And not just to Butler.

It seemed this all went away Brock's senior season....and since Matt has been in touch with his inner Dan McCarney and/or Brian Ferentz.

Didn't he say as much earlier this year about being guilty of playing "not to lose"? Well..............that's exactly what we saw in the first half last night.
 

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Felt the same way with this game as I did watching the Chiefs lose last week. It felt ‘off’ early. A sack or an INT could’ve flipped it. And I watched til the end hoping for it.

Even after the 80 yd TD I stayed on. Love that the team responded and got points.

It their night. A few too many misses on both sides of the ball.
 

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When they had Kempt and then Brock his freshman year........it was whatever you had to do to score. I remember Brock's first game against OSU........bomb's away. And not just to Butler.

It seemed this all went away Brock's senior season....and since Matt has been in touch with his inner Dan McCarney and/or Brian Ferentz.

Didn't he say as much earlier this year about being guilty of playing "not to lose"? Well..............that's exactly what we saw in the first half last night.

Kempt had the one game in Norman when they didn't have film, and Brock's game at OSU in '18 was similar. The new guy can run around and sling it around all over when no one knows the tells or tendencies. Those facts get overlooked all the time when those two games come up and it's kind of baffling.

After Norman, Kempt was a manager but still had likely the best receiving core ever at ISU and David Montgomery. They still flailed around plenty on offense though.

Purdy still had Butler for a season and then Deshaunte Jones and Kolar to work with afterwards. His senior year there really wasn't anyone to stretch the field so defenses could press and keep everything in front. They were still 43rd in scoring despite not having a burner to the outside/over the top.

I agree: ISU's approach on offense is weird especially in situations where you get some momentum and have a chance to keep the foot on the throat. After a big/long pass last night during the come back the next play was slog up to the line, motion once or twice, wind the play clock down, and hand it off up the middle.

Why not get Jackson or someone to the corner and let them make a play right away?

Last night's overall approach was weird. The defense held serve scoring wise but looked out of sorts in a lot of it.
 
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Coming into the game, KU's offense was scoring about 35 ppg in conference. They scored 21 against ISU.

Coming into the game KU's defense was giving up about 32 ppg in conference. ISU's offense scored 21 against KU.

I know...the ISU defense often doesn't look good because they give up those 3rd/4th and longs, and it would be very helpful if they could clean that up. But the bottom line is that although the defense was not stellar, they did good enough to win. Stinky, unimaginative offense lost the KU game.
I def agree. If the offense isn’t missing in action for three quarters we win the game by two scores. But the D had multiple chances to shut KU down in dominating fashion and just couldn’t do it.