*** Official #22 Kansas vs IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

[madguy30]

Coming into the game, KU's offense was scoring about 35 ppg in conference. They scored 21 against ISU.

Coming into the game KU's defense was giving up about 32 ppg in conference. ISU's offense scored 21 against KU.

I know...the ISU defense often doesn't look good because they give up those 3rd/4th and longs, and it would be very helpful if they could clean that up. But the bottom line is that although the defense was not stellar, they did good enough to win. Stinky, unimaginative offense lost the KU game.

The 3rd and 4th down conversions have been an achilles heel for a long while now and aside from the score can be the 'margins' aspect between winning and losing.

It's like if a basketball defense guards well overall and disrupts an offense but gives up boards/putbacks.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

One thing I meant to ask last night when I got home, but forgot. We sit on the west side lower bowl, so I can't always see the front edge of our guys on the sideline. What happened to earn the sideline warning we got last night?

 

[bosco]

Campbell is on the hot seat. The Rot has set in deniers back tracking. Fire Campbell hire Brian Ferentz now!

 

[mkadl]

I def agree. If the offense isn’t missing in action for three quarters we win the game by two scores. But the D had multiple chances to shut KU down in dominating fashion and just couldn’t do it.

How many times have we all said that after a loss? It is maddening, but I am not one thinking we should be shopping for a coach either.

 

[CnG]

I generally won’t blame the officials for deciding a game one way or the other, but enough bad calls against only one of the teams, can greatly influence the outcome. I don’t know where the B12 dug up these clowns, but they should never be allowed to officiate a P5 contest again.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Kempt had the one game in Norman when they didn't have film, and Brock's game at OSU in '18 was similar. The new guy can run around and sling it around all over when no one knows the tells or tendencies. Those facts get overlooked all the time when those two games come up and it's kind of baffling.

After Norman, Kempt was a manager but still had likely the best receiving core ever at ISU and David Montgomery. They still flailed around plenty on offense though.

Purdy still had Butler for a season and then Deshaunte Jones and Kolar to work with afterwards. His senior year there really wasn't anyone to stretch the field so defenses could press and keep everything in front. They were still 43rd in scoring despite not having a burner to the outside/over the top.

I agree: ISU's approach on offense is weird especially in situations where you get some momentum and have a chance to keep the foot on the throat. After a big/long pass last night during the come back the next play was slog up to the line, motion once or twice, wind the play clock down, and hand it off up the middle.

Why not get Jackson or someone to the corner and let them make a play right away?

Last night's overall approach was weird. The defense held serve scoring wise but looked out of sorts in a lot of it.

Maybe my memory is not good being blurred by trying to give him the B of D having done so well at ISU.

He may not know how to stress the defense every play and never really has. Or, maybe choses not to go that path. He still has a lot of career left, never too late to start.

 

[jsb]

One thing I meant to ask last night when I got home, but forgot. We sit on the west side lower bowl, so I can't always see the front edge of our guys on the sideline. What happened to earn the sideline warning we got last night?

Campbell was riding the refs hard. I'm assuming they wanted him to shut up.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Campbell was riding the refs hard. I'm assuming they wanted him to shut up.

Kinda figured that. And I understand why he was...but they have the power. And they were definitely flexing last night.

 

[madguy30]

Campbell is on the hot seat. The Rot has set in deniers back tracking. Fire Campbell hire Brian Ferentz now!

Let's pull the Jim Walden running the wishbone version of trading out coaches.
Nothing to lose.

 

[jsb]

Kinda figured that. And I understand why he was...but they have the power. And they were definitely flexing last night.

Yeah, it doesn't help our cause when he gets mad. But it is hard to blame him.

 

[madguy30]

Maybe my memory is not good being blurred by trying to give him the B of D having done so well at ISU.

He may not know how to stress the defense every play and never really has. Or, maybe choses not to go that path. He still has a lot of career left, never too late to start.

It's a balance that needs to be accepted imo.

ISU has been done the most ever in the modern era under CMC, but it's come without a real identity to the program and finding ways to stick around and win enough and establish a confidence against almost anyone even if it doesn't work out.

I'm looking forward to basketball season; the current state of the program is one where even if there's some duds or the team doesn't have it (which happens everywhere), we know they approach things in a certain way and purpose.

 

[ExCyment]

Liepold’s staff called, and their team executed, plays that nobody…I mean…nobody else would have called.

Yes. We absolutely got out coached tonight. 100%. But don’t act like this happens all the time.

Yes they called some high risk stuff that often blows up in your face, they came up aces last night. If they continue it will blow up in their faces at some point this year.

 

[ExCyment]

Any chance that the idiot refs don't call Noel's return incorrectly, ISU scores a TD instead of FG and the game is different from there forward?

I know, they didn't play well enough to get a correct call from the officials on that play.

No team should ever depend on a punt return to make a difference in a game. That is just a loser attitude.

I know, I know.

They scored 0 not 3 on that drive and it was a kick return.

 

[ExCyment]

wow that’s a major screwup by the ref. you never blow your whistle unless you’re 100 percent sure because you can always go back but never forward.

Hawk fans this is what its like to really get screwed by the officials. Not when a right call is made late.

 

[CYDJ]

They scored 0 not 3 on that drive and it was a kick return.

Thank you for all the corrections. Accuracy is important in all but officiating football apparently.

 

[madguy30]

Yes they called some high risk stuff that often blows up in your face, they came up aces last night. If they continue it will blow up in their faces at some point this year.

I'm pretty sure they've played this way the last 2.5 years. They keep the pressure on the defense and you have to be ready for everything.

They should at minimum get 8 wins this season. If it were ISU, CFers would be saying ISU is really good but the 'how do you lose to KANSAS?!' came out loud and clear by a few last night with a team that will likely end the season ranked or close to it.

 

[CoKane]

Maybe at times, but our secondary is just not great skill wise.

Yeah, I don't think that's a wrong take here either.

 

[Aclone]

I have now successfully decided on what I want for Christmas. The list is one item long.

I’d like Jeremiah Cooper to have a healthy off-season, no surgery, so he can concentrate on S&C, and come back next season with ten ir fifteen more pounds of muscle.

Should make him far more durable.

(And I say that knowing that the current freshmen—especially Jamo—will be in a much better position to help in ‘24)

 

[Aclone]

Hawk fans this is what its like to really get screwed by the officials. Not when a right call is made late.

Lol. Are you talking about DeJean’s invalid return? That wasn’t a “right call”.

The ruling, based on the view from above, was that he made a wave off motion, which invalidated the return.

If you look at the field level view—which is what the refs and players in the game all saw—his arm is clearly rotating. And blatantly so, like any person trying to keep their balance ever.

Which, running laterally, with the other arm out and eyes upwards, is exactly what he was trying to do.

It’s so embarrassing when Cyclone fans try to tell off Hawk fans…and they’re dead wrong.

Oh, and if you were referring to something else—please, do tell.

 

[CloneLawman]

Lol. Are you talking about DeJean’s invalid return? That wasn’t a “right call”.

The ruling, based on the view from above, was that he made a wave off motion, which invalidated the return.

If you look at the field level view—which is what the refs and players in the game all saw—his arm is clearly rotating. And blatantly so, like any person trying to keep their balance ever.

Which, running laterally, with the other arm out and eyes upwards, is exactly what he was trying to do.

It’s so embarrassing when Cyclone fans try to tell off Hawk fans…and they’re dead wrong.

Oh, and if you were referring to something else—please, do tell.

The Iowa gane call was correct. You are a fool and an ass and, though I'm sure you believe yourself superior to everyone else in the universe, you are not better to judge the appropriateness of the call than those who conducted an officiating review and confirmed it.

There's a reason Iowa didn't get any apologies.