*** Official IOWA STATE vs #19 Kansas State Game(Day) Thread ***

[StLouisClone]

I cannot emphasize enough the block by Brahmer here! He blocked 3 guys! K-State easily could have stopped that play for only a 14 yard gain (it would have been 4th and 2 and we would have punted, most likely) and they ultimately had 6 guys right there converging on Noel at the first down marker or shortly beyond.

Great move by Noel, and then really turning on the jets down the sideline! Great, great block by Brahmer to spring him!

Cheers to the refs for not imagining a foot stepping out of bounds this time.

 

[madguy30]

Ok we kept the same offensive game plan the entire year never changing anything and our players just got older while all opposing players stayed the same age in a stasis chamber. Come on. We clearly changed it up on offense or the season would have been toast, it’s a very good thing! Something to be happy about! Not something to write off as humans getting two weeks older while not making other changes.

I didn't say they didn't make changes. But those changes came with experience.

Saying ISU ran the ball 50 times a game or half of the Iowa game is not correct.

Saying ISU was creative last night is also not correct. The first run play was about on par with what ISU does to start many games/series.

The long catch/run to Noel was before the sticks, as many have complained about. He slipped through for the TD.

 

[madguy30]

The art of a play caller is calling the right play at the right time, and the prerequisite is that the play can be executed successfully against the defense it’s going against, i.e. within the potential range of outcomes, the majority of those are positive against that specific defensive set/scheme in that moment.

No 2 play calls are literally ever the same.

Yes they are.

 

[QBEagles]

My eldest son tells me ISU set the NCAA record for average yards / play, though they dropped the average by a yard with those Rocco losses. Has anyone else seen this as confirmed, namely the yards / play component?

The NCAA FBS record book says the YPP record is 13.47, but it has a minimum 50 play requirement. We had 13.94 last night in 35 plays, 15.59 if you remove kneeldowns. Those are video game numbers.

Defensively we only allowed 4.87 against a top 10-to-20 offense, which is actually pretty good for how much crap they got in the game thread. If K-State runs a normal amount of plays we probably only give up 24 and feel pretty good about it.

 

[Lineup]

Norton and Sanders didn’t make the trip? Why? Who were backups?

transfer portal

 

[Die4Cy]

I didn't say they didn't make changes. But those changes came with experience.

Saying ISU ran the ball 50 times a game or half of the Iowa game is not correct.

Saying ISU was creative last night is also not correct. The first run play was about on par with what ISU does to start many games/series.

The long catch/run to Noel was before the sticks, as many have complained about. He slipped through for the TD.

The discussion of the performance in last nights game begins and ends with the field conditions. People made some great individual efforts, but anyone watching could tell that the blocking and tackling (or lack thereof) on both sides was a result of the six inches of snow everyone was playing on.

It was great fun, but that win isn't one to just chalk up to player development.

 

[3TrueFans]

Is that before of after the space aliens land at mid field?

It’s not “complaining”. It’s being rational and realistic. There’s absolutely nothing safe or conservative about the play calling in those games. It was the opposite of safe, it was effectively creating turnovers on purpose.

It’s fantastic they got over it, and first half of KU concerned me that we weren’t over it. Great story of a season, great coaching job on the season, great player growth. But silly and irrational that some are inventing this narrative of “youth” when it was just stubbornness.

You’re just upset when it doesn’t work, the play calling hasn’t been noticeably different.

 

[2122]

Freyler had 15 tackles. Awesome.

And walk-on Surges, who has been bad-mouthed plenty here on CF, had 11 solo tackles.

 

[bozclone]

The discussion of the performance in last nights game begins and ends with the field conditions. People made some great individual efforts, but anyone watching could tell that the blocking and tackling (or lack thereof) on both sides was a result of the six inches of snow everyone was playing on.

It was great fun, but that win isn't one to just chalk up to player development.

I think the performance had a lot to do with confidence. We looked like a confident team that was ready to play despite the field conditions. This could be seen in the videos of the team during warmups to the first offensive play of the game through the last defensive stop by Iowa State. Our team grew up a ton during this season and it showed yesterday.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I think the performance had a lot to do with confidence. We looked like a confident team that was ready to play despite the field conditions. This could be seen in the videos of the team during warmups to the first offensive play of the game through the last defensive stop by Iowa State. Our team grew up a ton during this season and it showed yesterday.

Ya KState looked soft compared to us. We were delivering bigger hits and their defense did not want to tackle.

 

[wgleason]

Approx. 10% of our offensive plays were kneel downs (half and end of game).

So you're saying when you take away the kneel downs, we had 32 plays and KSU had 32 first downs.
That's fricking awesome!

 

[Dgilbertson]

Well said.

It’s fascinating the lengths people will go to to try to justify and defend every single decision made or strategy deployed by our coaching staff. It makes no sense to get SO personally offended when people offer invalid criticisms.

Even the BEST staffs in football struggle, and deploy strategies and game plans, or make decisions in game that literally harm/cost their own team dearly. Sometimes the staff does cost games. The Ohio game and the KU game are absolutely bad games for our staff. Really, really bad games. On the inverse - they do get credit for the good games too! It’s how this thing works. The coaches and coordinators get paid a lot of money, trust me - they can handle the criticism.

Oh yeah, and it’s OK to be absolutely pumped with the win last night and simultaneously be frustrated with the turd fests Ohio, Iowa, and KU.

The ole self-own

 

[cymac2408]

Never going to complain about going 6-3 in Big 12 games and winning 4 Big12 road games.

But your right in the staff needs to figure a way to turn these 7-5 seasons into 8 or 9 win seasons. IMO that comes down to Sept games.

I hate September football. I am willing to change my mind ISU Football.

 

[HFCS]

The Ohio game is the only one where that statement is accurate, when the RBs combined for 13 carries for 11 yards (0.84 ypc).

Against Iowa, RBs had 29 carries for 83 yards (2.86 ypc). Against OSU, 29 carries for 78 yards (2.69 ypc). Let's throw Kansas in, too, when the RBs had 21 carries for 80 yards (3.8 ypc). Even against Texas, the RBs actually had 16 carries for 23 yards (1.43 ypc).

Well said.

It’s fascinating the lengths people will go to to try to justify and defend every single decision made or strategy deployed by our coaching staff. It makes no sense to get SO personally offended when people offer invalid criticisms.

Even the BEST staffs in football struggle, and deploy strategies and game plans, or make decisions in game that literally harm/cost their own team dearly. Sometimes the staff does cost games. The Ohio game and the KU game are absolutely bad games for our staff. Really, really bad games. On the inverse - they do get credit for the good games too! It’s how this thing works. The coaches and coordinators get paid a lot of money, trust me - they can handle the criticism.

Oh yeah, and it’s OK to be absolutely pumped with the win last night and simultaneously be frustrated with the turd fests Ohio, Iowa, and KU.

I’m not even still mad about those games. I’m glad the coaches made obvious changes to be less predictable and use more of the field. Everyone who covers ISU as a job has said the exact same.

Every team gains experience from week to week, we made changes that made our offense less predictable and cover more of the field. I have no idea why it’s “negative” to point out the obvious but “positive” to put all the improvement on getting 2-6 weeks older.

 

[t-noah]

Cheers to the refs for not imagining a foot stepping out of bounds this time.

And cheers to Noel for having an outstanding Junior season!

It wasn't too long ago some folks here on CF were complaining about his worth and productivity. That is par for this course, I guess. He has proven the naysayers very wrong.

 

[Clone95]

In reality, the Ohio loss doesn’t change our season. We’re looking at the same tied for 4th place in conference and the same bowl game, in all probability.

 

[cayin]

Do you think ISU should have thrown more against Iowa?

Higgins catching that first half TD that he dropped would have been more...creative?

wasn't most of that at the end trying to make a comeback? I recall running just one type of running play when we did run, not a lot of variation, made it easy for Iowa

 

[madguy30]

wasn't most of that at the end trying to make a comeback? I recall running just one type of running play when we did run, not a lot of variation, made it easy for Iowa

ISU threw early and often all game.

I'm not going to tally them but there's a lot of 'Rocco Becht pass' in there.

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[WartburgClone]

Game highlights, 100% shot from field level, interesting perspective for this snow game

Only way Fox won't be able to DMCA it.

 

[CycloneErik]

Some records set in this one. And I wonder about one more. How about a record for, "Average Points per Play." 42 points divided by 35 plays = 1.2 points per play.

Gotta be up there.

Still not averaging a touchdown per play, so plenty of room to grow there.